July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 07:08 PM) Here is what I don't get. If this were really the case... why take the risk of swinging independent trades? Why not do a three party deal all at once? agreed...I think it might be more likely we keep Jackson and then trade some others, like Flowers/Morel to try and get a bat.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:08 PM) Here is what I don't get. If this were really the case... why take the risk of swinging independent trades? Why not do a three party deal all at once? Because Jackson's not going anywhere. Flipping him really makes no sense on many levels.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 06:08 PM) Here is what I don't get. If this were really the case... why take the risk of swinging independent trades? Why not do a three party deal all at once? Aren't "3 way trades" technically all separate independent of one another, at least officially? Sox could very know well know what they are doing.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:08 PM) I would give the entire farm system for Dunn if we don't have to include Jackson. I think most would. Most would not.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:08 AM) I would give the entire farm system for Dunn if we don't have to include Jackson. I think most would. Speak for yourself. No way that I give up both Flowers and Viciedo for Dunn.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 06:10 PM) Speak for yourself. No way that I give up both Flowers and Viciedo for Dunn. I didn't include Viciedo in that. Just talking about current farm players. I would give anyone.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:10 PM) Aren't "3 way trades" technically all separate independent of one another, at least officially? Sox could very know well know what they are doing. Trades are contracts, and there are most certainly tri-party contracts. Not sure why baseball trades would be any different, but I confess I don't know for sure.
July 30, 201015 yr Why would the Nats want a 8m dollar 4/5 starter. They are not in a pennant race or are in playoff contention. They want to looose salary. Dunn for Jackson will NOT happen..
July 30, 201015 yr I also wouldn't give up Mitchell and Viciedo, Mitchell and Flowers or Flowers and Mitchell EITHER.
July 30, 201015 yr One more fact: If Jackson does pitch well for the Sox next year and they want to keep him around long term, well, don't hold your breath on that one: Jackson is represented by Scott Boras. I believe he, Jones and Viciedo are our only 3 Boras clients at this point.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) One more fact: If Jackson does pitch well for the Sox next year and they want to keep him around long term, well, don't hold your breath on that one: Jackson is represented by Scott Boras. I believe he, Jones and Viciedo are our only 3 Boras clients at this point. Viciedo ? I thought he and Alexei shared an agent, can't think of his name.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 06:12 PM) I also wouldn't give up Mitchell and Viciedo, Mitchell and Flowers or Flowers and Mitchell EITHER. You get Dunn and keep Jackson, you have a team built for a run at the Series. As I said, I would leave out Viciedo, but I would include anyone else.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:14 PM) Viciedo ? I thought he and Alexei shared an agent, can't think of his name. Jaime Torres?
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:12 PM) I also wouldn't give up Mitchell and Viciedo, Mitchell and Flowers or Flowers and Mitchell EITHER. Uhhhh?
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:15 PM) Jaime Torres? Damn I just found it, Viciedo changed his agents from Torres to Boras. Completely missed it.
July 30, 201015 yr This trade suggests two things: (1) The Sox weren't nearly as high on Hudson as they'd led us to believe (or believe that his mechanics make him injury-prone). (2) Kenny subscribes to the school of thought that making a deal at the deadline (even if it doesn't really help the team much) has a positive psychological impact on the team. (I imagine that the Griffey trade of two years ago would fall into this category as well.)
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:16 PM) Uhhhh? Replying to someone who said they'd trade our entire farm system for Dunn. My reply was that I wouldn't even trade BOTH of those players together in the three combinations/permutations.
July 30, 201015 yr Flowers won't be part of any package to the Nats, they just got Ramos from the twins in the Capps deal
July 30, 201015 yr That doesn't mean that the Nationals might not be looking at Flowers at 1B already...anticipating him coming off catcher.
July 30, 201015 yr @TBrownYahoo - Source: White Sox hope to acquire Dunn without trading Jackson, but Nats desire Jackson.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:20 PM) This trade suggests two things: (1) The Sox weren't nearly as high on Hudson as they'd led us to believe (or believe that his mechanics make him injury-prone). (2) Kenny subscribes to the school of thought that making a deal at the deadline (even if it doesn't really help the team much) has a positive psychological impact on the team. (I imagine that the Griffey trade of two years ago would fall into this category as well.) I think the trade really suggests the Sox believe Sale will be ready much sooner than most expect.
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:23 PM) @TBrownYahoo - Source: White Sox hope to acquire Dunn without trading Jackson, but Nats desire Jackson. Geez,
July 30, 201015 yr QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:23 PM) I think the trade really suggests the Sox believe Sale will be ready much sooner than most expect. Half the world doesn't like his mechanics however.
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