Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (RudyLawRules @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) Draft notes on Stewart: Draft notes on Stewart: http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/ev....jsp?mc=stewart Focus Area Comments Fastball: Stewart showed plus, plus velocity, throwing his fastball in the 95-97 mph range. Fastball movement: It had plus life as well. Slider: He showed a slider that was average-to-plus and threw it with good deception. Control: He had plus command, particularly of his fastball. Poise: He has a closer mentality, very aggressive and going right after hitters. Physical Description: Stewart isn't all that big, but he's strong-bodied and his stuff plays big as does his bulldog mentality. Medical Update: Healthy. Strengths: Two plus power pitches and command of both of them. He has the right demeanor to be a closer. Weaknesses: Having played at three colleges in three years, there's no real track record. Summary: College closers have become all the rage lately, with some getting drafted early every year. Stewart could be in that group in 2008. The Texas Tech reliever relies on a plus fastball and slider and commands both power offerings well. He's got the kind of makeup you want in a short reliever, a guy who is very aggressive and goes right after hitters. The stuff plus the mentality could push Stewart into early-round consideration. The draft notes are pretty out of date since he's been moved to being a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) LOL so basicly we get frasor for teabag and Jackson when we could have had Rasmus? Ohhh Kenny LOL! Wonder what the moron says now. Frasor ain't bad but Kenny went with the first trade, we could have held Jackson a lil longer and teams would have gotten desperate and gotten more.... Ohh the life of a sox fan.... This move likely came from upstairs. The powers-that-be are obviously more interested in shedding payroll than competing in the foreseeable future. I imagine that a lot more guys are going to be dealt over the next 12 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 03:42 PM) This move likely came from upstairs. The powers-that-be are obviously more interested in shedding payroll than competing in the foreseeable future. I imagine that a lot more guys are going to be dealt over the next 12 months. a lot more guys better be dealt in the next 2 days If this is the only bulls*** move we get, f*** these guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 As others have speculated i think that the Sox passed on Rasmus, Thats why last night this trade made no sense for the Blue Jays, but now that its all finalized it seems that the Sox could have had Rasmus, but didnt want him. They then probably went to other teams trying to get a third party whod take Rasmus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) What do you mean? That's what basicly happend The equivalent of what Toronto gave up from us would have looked something like this: Jackson + Sale + Thornton + Pierre The Jays sent over a young LHP with a 2.97 ERA / 1.09 WHIP this year... a veteran RHP with a 3.68 ERA / 1.09 WHIP this year... a starting veteran Center Fielder that is about equivalent to Juan Pierre... and Jackson. To start, we don't really match up there because we don't have anything that is equivalent to Dotel. Second, if we did that trade - our bullpen would be gutted. It was much more than just Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 St. Louis is also receiving 3 PTBNL or future cash considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:46 PM) As others have speculated i think that the Sox passed on Rasmus, Thats why last night this trade made no sense for the Blue Jays, but now that its all finalized it seems that the Sox could have had Rasmus, but didnt want him. They then probably went to other teams trying to get a third party whod take Rasmus. That makes sense to me. But trading Edwin Jackson for WAY less than he's worth on the market doesn't. The only aspect of this trade that makes any sense for the Sox is that it allowed them to bundle Teahen into the deal and maximize the amount of salary that they were able to dump. And if that's their mentality right now, the next two seasons are going to be painful to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 03:48 PM) St. Louis is also receiving 3 PTBNL or future cash considerations. Yeah...we couldn't have gotten Rasmus when that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wait....no f***ing way. 1, this deal actually happened? And 2, it's a 3 way where the White Sox DON'T get Rasmus??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) That makes sense to me. But trading Edwin Jackson for WAY less than he's worth on the market doesn't. The only aspect of this trade that makes any sense for the Sox is that it allowed them to bundle Teahen into the deal and maximize the amount of salary that they were able to dump. And if that's their mentality right now, the next two seasons are going to be painful to watch. I'd actually say that the Sox got more value out of Jackson than I thought he was worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 03:50 PM) Wait....no f***ing way. 1, this deal actually happened? And 2, it's a 3 way where the White Sox DON'T get Rasmus??? It was not a 3 way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I'm furious right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I dont think the Sox traded Jackson for way less than hes worth. They got 3 things of value: A) Starting pitching prospect. Not an elite cant miss, but seemingly a serviceable player who can either be a 5 or a mr. He will be under team control for years and cheap. B) Getting rid of Teahen. That is payroll flexibility. C) Getting a rh MR which they wanted to compete this year. The problem is that b/c seemingly dont make sense. Either you are throwing in the towel or you are going for it. The Sox are trying to do both. Which (imo) generally does not end well. But in terms of value, Im not sure Jackson really could fetch more because hes a 2 month rental. The only way would have been to get a Boston/Yankee bidding war, because both of those teams could resign Jackson and potentially overpay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 What's the scoop on Stewart? Was he one of their top prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Yeah, the Cards are getting E-Jax, a young, very good, lefty reliever, a good righty reliever, a serviceable CF, but also 3 PTBNL/ cash. No longer mad at KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 03:55 PM) What's the scoop on Stewart? Was he one of their top prospects? #3 coming into this year, #44 overall in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:55 PM) What's the scoop on Stewart? Was he one of their top prospects? He was their #1 prospect coming into 2010 on most lists and between 3-5 on most lists this year. Conveniently, he already has an AAP page here summarizing how he's thought of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 03:55 PM) What's the scoop on Stewart? Was he one of their top prospects? Some say so, but he's 24 and in AA. Somebody said he becomes our #1 prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Stewart was favorably compared to Drabek by some scouts and in many cases he has been previously rated higher than Drabek. Hes 24 and started a few games for Toronto. Seemingly a ground ball pitcher who could be serviceable back end of the rotation player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) #3 coming into this year, #44 overall in baseball. Only on Keith Law's list. Didn't make Baseball America's or Baseball Prospectus's top 100. Opinions on Stewart are very wide ranging. Edited July 27, 2011 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 03:42 PM) This move likely came from upstairs. The powers-that-be are obviously more interested in shedding payroll than competing in the foreseeable future. I imagine that a lot more guys are going to be dealt over the next 12 months. More like the next four days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Where'd the PTBL news come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 03:58 PM) More like the next four days You don't think today's win will change anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:03 PM) Where'd the PTBL news come from? http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/artic...or&c_id=tor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Thats not true, here is baseball america's ranking from the end of last year: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...11/2610895.html 5. Zach Stewart, rhp Best Fastball Zach Stewart TOP PROSPECTS OF THE DECADE 2010 Zach Stewart, rhp Blue Ja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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