September 12, 201114 yr Likely back next year: Konerko, Dunn, Beckham, Ramirez, Morel, Viciedo, Rios, DeAza, Flowers, Lilli Likely traded: Quentin 50/50: AJ Gone: Pierre, Castro, Vizquel Likely back next year: Peavy, Stewart, Humber, Santos, Sale, Crain, Ohman, Buerhle Likely traded: 50/50: Danks, Floyd, Thornton, Frasor Gone: Pena Likely opening day roster: LF De Aza SS Ramirez 1B Konerko DH Dunn CF Rios C Flowers/AJP RF Viciedo 2B Beckham 3B Morel BE Flowers/Lucy BE Milledge BE Lillibridge BE Escobar SP Peavy SP Humber SP Stewart SP Buerhle SP Floyd/Danks/Sale CP Santos SU Crain MR Sale/Santiago MR Frasor/Reed MR Thornton/Kinney/Lindsay MR Ohman RP Infante/Axelrod The lineup is pretty RH heavy, especially if AJ is moved. The question for the offseason is how can KW (or a new GM) trade pieces to augment what is already in place for 2012? If KW is still making the decisions traditionally we have acquired players that are major league ready for our major league players, except in the case of salary dumps. The roster is looking pretty rough next year and I think that they should look at bringing in some buy low candidates (Stewart from COL) and building up the farm for the long term.
September 12, 201114 yr The first thing that needs to be addressed is the coaching staff/ upper management. Something needs to happen. We can't have this KW vs Ozzie crap anymore. I'm done with it.
September 12, 201114 yr Yes, probably replacing management to some extent, but also identifying what can be done about addressing/fixing Dunn and Rios' issues.
September 12, 201114 yr The White Sox should focus on bringing Dave Martinez in as the manager. The DEVIL Rays are within 3-1/2 games of the Boston Red Cubs - with a 41 million dollar payroll. I don't know how much direct effect Martinez has on that but I wanna taste of that winning. Other than that - you know what? I'm comfortable with that the team has. Dunn isn't going anywhere soon, and Rios isn't either. I don't think there is a difference maker out there that the Sox can acquire, so next year they will have to make due with the talent that is already here. And I do believe if everyone plays up to their true potential, this team will be scary good. Edited September 12, 201114 yr by Chet Kincaid
September 12, 201114 yr I agree. The main focus has to be the coaching staff and/or the GM. If we go into next season with the same two guys (KW and Ozzie), it's going to be a lot of the samw crap, regardless of the sunshine and flowers BS they'll throw out there about them getting along just fine. Other than that, I'd say freeing up some money has to be a focus point. Players that I think have the best chance to be traded are CQ, Danks, and Floyd. Thornton may go, too. That being said, I still don't see a big difference in the lineup or starting pitching staff. The OF should be De Aza, Rios, Viciedo. Infield would most likely be Konerko, Beckham, Morel, Ramirez. AJ will be the starting catcher with Flowers hopefully getting some decent playing time. The pitching staff might see the bigger changes. Buehrle and Peavy are locks, in my opinion. If Danks AND Floyd get traded, the SPs should be Buehrle, Peavy, Humber, Stewart, and Sale. But if Danks stays, does Sale remain in the bullpen? And if Floyd stays, is Humber or Stewart the odd man out? I'm hoping for an interesting off season. But, if KW and Ozzie are both back next season, I'm not going to have a good feeling about 2012.
September 12, 201114 yr If Danks stays and is extended, then I have no problem with Buehrle not being brought back. Sale has got to be put into the starting rotation.
September 12, 201114 yr 100% agree that the very first thing that needs to be addressed is the coaching staff and manager (and possibly the GM). One other thing: when talking about the OF next year, I see most people saying De Aza in LF, Rios in CF and Viciedo in RF. I would switch it around a bit: Viciedo - LF De Aza - CF Rios - RF That's the best defensive outfield. If the Sox bring in a new coaching/management team that objectively evaluates talent vs. just going with what is already entrenched by veterans, they'll do this.
September 12, 201114 yr Sox should figure out the market value for Danks. I can think of a couple of teams who think they can contend in 2012 with a solid lefty, and they would give up some very good position player prospects. Then, since DeAza and Viciedo have looked so good, we should see what kind of pitching prospects we can get for CQ. If someone in charge can figure out what to do with Dunn, we should be at least as good next year as this year and be a lot closer to being a solid team in 2013-14. Otherwise, we will be a 24 man roster team.
September 12, 201114 yr There's not much they can do except suck again next year with many of the same characters. Since they potentially have an outfield of Tank, DeAza and Rios (ugh, but we can't get rid of him), I guess we could trade CQ but I think that really cripples an already anemic lineup. I wouldn't be against trading Beckham, Crain and AJP. Flowers and Castro would be good enough at catcher. You can always find a second baseman.
September 12, 201114 yr It has to be conditioning and technique. That has to be priority 1 this offseason. Whoever the hitting coach is has to be confident in these guys by the time Feb 21 rolls around.
September 12, 201114 yr QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) Sox should figure out the market value for Danks. I can think of a couple of teams who think they can contend in 2012 with a solid lefty, and they would give up some very good position player prospects. Then, since DeAza and Viciedo have looked so good, we should see what kind of pitching prospects we can get for CQ. If someone in charge can figure out what to do with Dunn, we should be at least as good next year as this year and be a lot closer to being a solid team in 2013-14. Otherwise, we will be a 24 man roster team. It has to be about extending him. If he won't sign an extension, he needs to be dealt to the highest bidder.
September 12, 201114 yr Is it possible to pry away one of the Yankees' apparent stud catchers for Danks or Quentin?
September 12, 201114 yr QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 03:35 PM) Is it possible to pry away one of the Yankees' apparent stud catchers for Danks or Quentin? Highly unlikely. They wouldn't trade them for Greinke last year.
September 12, 201114 yr QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) Is it possible to pry away one of the Yankees' apparent stud catchers for Danks or Quentin? If it was, they would have been gone at the deadline, Q especially.
September 12, 201114 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 03:42 PM) If it was, they would have been gone at the deadline, Q especially. IF both had had really good, and healthy years, the Yankees might have given you 1 catcher for the 2 of them. Neithetr Danks or Quentin has done what was needed to really improve their value this year.
September 12, 201114 yr QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 05:40 PM) Who is going to take AJ and his 6M salary next year? The Chicago white sox
September 12, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 04:40 PM) Who is going to take AJ and his 6M salary next year? Just because a team is taking AJ doesn't mean they are taking all $6M. The Sox can eat some of that money in order to get something of value in return. The Rangers and Marlins are two teams that could use a veteran catcher off the top of my head. Its time to either play Flowers or cut him loose, another year in AAA does him no good and neither does sitting on the bench. Something has to give, and I think the Sox will be looking past next year and see Flowers is the long term option.
September 12, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) Highly unlikely. They wouldn't trade them for Greinke last year. They offered Montero for Soria though. It depends on which C prospect you are talking about, Romine could probably be had in the right deal with Cervelli set there for a while, Sanchez could probably as well but he is a ways off.
September 13, 201114 yr The original post in this thread suggested that Quentin, Danks, Floyd, Thornton and Frasor would be traded. However, no players were added to the roster. The obvious question is who could the Sox acquire for those players in trades? Edited September 13, 201114 yr by Lillian
September 13, 201114 yr QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 11:33 AM) Yes, probably replacing management to some extent, but also identifying what can be done about addressing/fixing Dunn and Rios' issues. I think both will be better. This is really the first time Rios has ever taken a lot of major criticism. I think he may benefit even more from a new hitting coach.
September 13, 201114 yr tHE ONLY FOCUS SHOULD BE ON A NEW GENERAL MANAGER WITH A PLAN THAT MAKES SENSE. THEN LET HIM HIRE HIS MANAGGER.
September 13, 201114 yr QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 04:40 PM) Who is going to take AJ and his 6M salary next year? Unless something crazy happens, there really isn't much out there to say he is going anywhere.
September 13, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 07:09 PM) The original post in this thread suggested that Quentin, Danks, Floyd, Thornton and Frasor would be traded. However, no players were added to the roster. The obvious question is who could the Sox acquire for those players in trades? The other part of the question is where would any acquisitions fit on the 25/40 man roster next season. The bullpen could use some shoring up if Thornton and Frasor are gone, Reed could take one of those spots but you would probably need another LRP, especially if the Sox are going to move Sale to the rotation. Frasor could just not have his option picked up. What Danks, Floyd, and Quentin would bring back would depend on who the GM is and what vision they are able to sell to JR. If KW is GM, they will be traded for near major league talent like Flowers and Danks when they were acquired. If KW is gone the new GM may take a longer term view and go after some higher ceiling guys that are further away from contributing. But there is not a lot of space for offensive players or starting pitching on the 25 man roster without making some significant and unpopular moves. So as it stands the team starting next season will very closely resemble the one running out there now.
September 13, 201114 yr I really don't think a pure platoon is that bad of an option with AJ and Flowers for 2012, especially if they sprinkle in the occasional PH/DH appearances. They could easily each wind up with 275-300 PAs apiece. AJ also potentially has much more trade value at the deadline next season. Edited September 13, 201114 yr by Greg Hibbard
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