Balta1701 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 06:04 PM) I still think there is a better than even chance he ends up here. Not just Rock's source, but also, I am fairly certain that bottled up demand for guys like Quentin, Thornton and Danks/Floyd will allow KW to make a big trade or two cutting salary, keep the other one of Floyd/Danks, and sign M56. I'm not sure by any stretch, but if I was forced to bet on a team, it would still be the Sox. The question is, is M-56 going to stay here through what is clearly a rebuilding process. ANd do the Sox want to pay him to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 06:57 PM) The question is, is M-56 going to stay here through what is clearly a rebuilding process. ANd do the Sox want to pay him to do that. I'm not sure yet that this is "clearly a rebuilding process". If the team moves Thornton, Quentin and EITHER of Danks or Floyd (but not both)... and re-signs M56... that doesn't look like a full-boat rebuild to me. Viciedo replaces Quentin, the rotation becomes Buehrle/Floyd-or-Danks/Peavy/Humber/Sale, and there is a long list of possible replacements for Thornton. Meanwhile, there are whatever prospect the team gets for those three. That looks like a re-tool on the fly to me, not a full-on rebuild. And they may not even trade both Quentin and Thornton, maybe only one of the two. Of course, they may end up trading both those SP's and other people, and not sign M56, for a serious rebuild. That might also happen. I really, really want the dominos to start falling soon. Its driving me nuts that we don't even have any idea what general direction the organization is going to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 09:49 AM) I'm not sure yet that this is "clearly a rebuilding process". If the team moves Thornton, Quentin and EITHER of Danks or Floyd (but not both)... and re-signs M56... that doesn't look like a full-boat rebuild to me. Viciedo replaces Quentin, the rotation becomes Buehrle/Floyd-or-Danks/Peavy/Humber/Sale, and there is a long list of possible replacements for Thornton. Meanwhile, there are whatever prospect the team gets for those three. That looks like a re-tool on the fly to me, not a full-on rebuild. And they may not even trade both Quentin and Thornton, maybe only one of the two. Of course, they may end up trading both those SP's and other people, and not sign M56, for a serious rebuild. That might also happen. I really, really want the dominos to start falling soon. Its driving me nuts that we don't even have any idea what general direction the organization is going to take. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 08:49 AM) I'm not sure yet that this is "clearly a rebuilding process". If the team moves Thornton, Quentin and EITHER of Danks or Floyd (but not both)... and re-signs M56... that doesn't look like a full-boat rebuild to me. Viciedo replaces Quentin, the rotation becomes Buehrle/Floyd-or-Danks/Peavy/Humber/Sale, and there is a long list of possible replacements for Thornton. Meanwhile, there are whatever prospect the team gets for those three. That looks like a re-tool on the fly to me, not a full-on rebuild. And they may not even trade both Quentin and Thornton, maybe only one of the two. Of course, they may end up trading both those SP's and other people, and not sign M56, for a serious rebuild. That might also happen. I really, really want the dominos to start falling soon. Its driving me nuts that we don't even have any idea what general direction the organization is going to take. IMO, the key guy on rebuilding is Matty. If Danks and Quentin are moved but mark comes back, that's still a competitive team. Moving Matty means move everyone; that's the move where your team starts getting worse next year and has to break in and develop a kid to replace him...and even in the pen, developing a kid is a multi year commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 08:48 AM) IMO, the key guy on rebuilding is Matty. If Danks and Quentin are moved but mark comes back, that's still a competitive team. Moving Matty means move everyone; that's the move where your team starts getting worse next year and has to break in and develop a kid to replace him...and even in the pen, developing a kid is a multi year commitment. I don't agree, simply because Matt is the elephant in the room right now...rebuild or no rebuild, if you need to start cutting salary, the $6 million reliever is low hanging fruit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) I don't agree, simply because Matt is the elephant in the room right now...rebuild or no rebuild, if you need to start cutting salary, the $6 million reliever is low hanging fruit... I agree, Matt Thornton is not the signal here. The signal is who of Danks, Floyd and/or M56 are still around for 2012. If 2 of the 3 are back, or all 3, then this is in no way a rebuild. If one of three, or none, are with the team, that is a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I agree, Matt Thornton is not the signal here. The signal is who of Danks, Floyd and/or M56 are still around for 2012. If 2 of the 3 are back, or all 3, then this is in no way a rebuild. If one of three, or none, are with the team, that is a rebuild. Just about to post this.. If the Sox move Danks, and don't sign anyone to replace him.. they pretty signal we going to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I love Mark as much as everyone else, but we all know it doesn't make any sense to bring him back unless he gives us a huge hometown discount, which it sounds like he is not going to do. We have to let him go, guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I'm willing to let him walk now, simply so I don't have to see the nicknames M-56 or Mark! again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 10:32 AM) I'm willing to let him walk now, simply so I don't have to see the nicknames M-56 or Mark! again. I don't really get the Mark! thing, never did. But M56 is nice, and a lot easier to type than Buehrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 11:32 AM) I'm willing to let him walk now, simply so I don't have to see the nicknames M-56 or Mark! again. It's one poster for the most part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 10:37 AM) I don't really get the Mark! thing, never did. But M56 is nice, and a lot easier to type than Buehrle. Haha, I get it. I just never understood shortening typed things. It takes like a half second to type the whole name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) Haha, I get it. I just never understood shortening typed things. It takes like a half second to type the whole name. I've just always said Mark. There was never any other Mark on our team worthy of talking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) I've just always said Mark. There was never any other Mark on our team worthy of talking about... Mark Johnson?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 11:31 AM) Mark Johnson?! Kotsay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 11:32 AM) Kotsay! Parent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Kotsay! Winner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) Haha, I get it. I just never understood shortening typed things. It takes like a half second to type the whole name. I always just went to MB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 If the Sox trade Danks next week and Buehrle is still on the market, and the Sox aren't going to sign him, do you think JR will ask Buerhle for a solid and not sign with anyone until Dec 15th? Season ticket invoices are due on the 14th, I would think losing those 2 and not bringing in some well known names is going to make the people on the fence about renewing jump off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman mark buehrle, who hinted about retirement within last yr, may be most popular big-time free agent. 14 teams alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 06:04 PM) SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman mark buehrle, who hinted about retirement within last yr, may be most popular big-time free agent. 14 teams alive. It's pretty obvious he's gone, isn't it? Do the Cubs want him? I'd like to see him stay in town where he belongs even if it means him pitching for them. Good luck to our team w/out Mark and Danks. We'll be trotting one of the worst rotations in baseball out there trying to win with our offense? Wow, get ready for a horrible horrible season. Edited December 1, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Trying to look at this objectively. Buerhle is a solid pitcher who will give you 200 IP, however he isn't an ace. Seems like he is going to be overpaid. He really was helped out by the six man rotation to give him some rest. White Sox have been protecting him the last two to three seasons (six man rotation, skipping his start here or there, giving him less innings in spring training). He really didn't look great in the last month of the season. This might be the right time to let Buerhle go. I know that he has some good intangibles (good teammate, leads by example, great defensively). But is Buerhle going to be more likely getting better each successive season or worse? All of those innings that he has pitched could eventually catch up to him. If he goes to another team...hopefully, he signs with the Cards since he would love to be there. And I don't mind him picking up a large paycheck while trying to beat the cuBS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 01:02 PM) It's pretty obvious he's gone, isn't it? Do the Cubs want him? I'd like to see him stay in town where he belongs even if it means him pitching for them. Good luck to our team w/out Mark and Danks. We'll be trotting one of the worst rotations in baseball out there trying to win with our offense? Wow, get ready for a horrible horrible season. Go root for the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 2, 2011 -> 11:38 AM) Go root for the Marlins. Um, what did greg say that was so bad there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 2, 2011 -> 11:43 AM) Um, what did greg say that was so bad there? The Cubs line was lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Greg, I can't believe anyone would want one of the most popular players in Sox history to go play for the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.