December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) Yup, I expect them to step it up as well. It IS baseball thou - anything can happen. Dunn could hit 40 bomb - or 12... either wouldn't surprise me. Rios could be totally worthless or put up a 4 WAR - either wouldn't surprise me. Humber could throw to a ~1 WHIP or could put up a 1.5 - either wouldn't surprise me. It's gonna be an interesting 2012 - but I'm not expecting us to beat Detroit this year. The other thing that really threw a lot of observers for a loop is how well Peralta played, both offensively and even defensively. Seemed his career was winding down in a backwards direction with the Indians. Boesch and Jackson weren't nearly as good as 2010, Ordonez and C. Guillen were non-factors, and they still were pretty darned impressive. Obviously, they had some offensive struggles from time to time, as can be expected with any club.
December 24, 201114 yr If you want Quentin you gotta take Rios, otherwise GFY. I hope that's KW stance on the issue.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 09:24 PM) If you want Quentin you gotta take Rios, otherwise GFY. I hope that's KW stance on the issue. bwhahahahahahahahah
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:02 AM) bwhahahahahahahahah Ugh. Do people really think this is at all realistic?
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:14 AM) Ugh. Do people really think this is at all realistic? No doubt. Apparently, in 2011, the most efficient way to restock the farm is to keep your good or "better" players and trade your bad ones. Only way to do business. lol. Just reread what you quoted. Of course. "If you want our defensively-challenged, injury-prone OF who we only have under control for one more year...you must take one of the most overpaid, perpetually underachieving players in baseball with him. The ball is in your court. We don't have to do anything." Edited December 24, 201114 yr by Jordan4life
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 01:04 AM) No doubt. Apparently, in 2011, the most efficient way to restock the farm is to keep your good or "better" players and trade your bad ones. Only way to do business. lol. Just reread what you quoted. Of course. "If you want our defensively-challenged, injury-prone OF who we only have under control for one more year...you must take one of the most overpaid, perpetually underachieving players in baseball with him. The ball is in your court. We don't have to do anything." Or you can have John Danks, Alexei Ramirez, Matt Thornton AND a serving of Rios on the side, to go with the division crown for whatever respective league you're playing in. So why not add about $150-175 million to your team payroll in future salary commitments, it's Christmastime, right?
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 11:24 PM) If you want Quentin you gotta take Rios, otherwise GFY. I hope that's KW stance on the issue. I never heard that acronym, but knew what it meant immediately
December 24, 201114 yr Glad to see we're doing the "x team will totally regress this year. The division will be terrible, if we can just get to 88 wins..."
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 09:44 AM) When is it anticipated that he will be declared a free agent? Probably in the next month, after he establishes residency in the DR
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) Glad to see we're doing the "x team will totally regress this year. The division will be terrible, if we can just get to 88 wins..." It was totally predictable though.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 23, 2011 -> 06:15 PM) And we now have 5 starting pitchers under team control for 5 years. The middle of the rotation has been shored up this offseason, I'd still like them to deal basically whatever it took for one more potential top-of-the-rotation starter.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:24 PM) The middle of the rotation has been shored up this offseason, I'd still like them to deal basically whatever it took for one more potential top-of-the-rotation starter. Teams do not give up potential top-of-the-rotation starters in trades very willingly.
December 24, 201114 yr just watch his scouting videos... kid is a BEAST. 500 foot home runs Vertical jump better than Derrick Rose Athletic as hell Cannon for an arm Hits a HR to Left, then Center, then Right back to back to back. I officially want him. Here's One Edited December 24, 201114 yr by Reddy
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) Teams do not give up potential top-of-the-rotation starters in trades very willingly. Indeed; draft, please! That's how we ended up with Sale.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 11:34 AM) Teams do not give up potential top-of-the-rotation starters in trades very willingly. I understand that.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) I understand that. Clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't keep requesting that the team trade for one.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) Clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't keep requesting that the team trade for one. My contention is Viciedo or Ramirez might be able to bring the Sox that return.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) just watch his scouting videos... kid is a BEAST. 500 foot home runs Vertical jump better than Derrick Rose Athletic as hell Cannon for an arm Hits a HR to Left, then Center, then Right back to back to back. I officially want him. Here's One I'm no scout, but I'd put the kid on the 25-man roster. I saw that he hit a couple of bombs lefty just to show off...he's not a switch-hitter is he? That was just for demonstration purposes?
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 03:16 PM) My contention is Viciedo or Ramirez might be able to bring the Sox that return. Hasn't our problem been hitting since '06? Alexei I can see, but Viciedo?
December 24, 201114 yr Ok, I will be officially devastated if KW does not sign this guy, it will be the same kick in the gut as when Tori went to the Angels.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) My contention is Viciedo or Ramirez might be able to bring the Sox that return. No one would give that up for Viciedo until he has a full, successful season at the MLB level. The sox have messed around with him and moved him around too much. Alexei might..but then you have to convince another team to be willing to pay the price for a SS, and right now I don't see the team that's going to do so (braves included). If the Braves were willing to part with a Teheran based package for Alexei, everyone here would jump at it. But we can't make them do that, and neither can Kenny...so insisting that it shoudl happen is going to annoy people.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) No one would give that up for Viciedo until he has a full, successful season at the MLB level. The sox have messed around with him and moved him around too much. I just don't even understand why we'd do that. Are we trying to be the all-pitching, no-hitting Sox of the last five -- largely mediocre -- years? A not yet 23 year-old with the talent of Viciedo is exactly the type of player the organization doesn't have enough of.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:25 PM) No one would give that up for Viciedo until he has a full, successful season at the MLB level. The sox have messed around with him and moved him around too much. Alexei might..but then you have to convince another team to be willing to pay the price for a SS, and right now I don't see the team that's going to do so (braves included). If the Braves were willing to part with a Teheran based package for Alexei, everyone here would jump at it. But we can't make them do that, and neither can Kenny...so insisting that it shoudl happen is going to annoy people. So the Sox don't have what it takes to deal for a potential top-of-the-rotation starter, I can accept that. Viciedo's ceiling mustn't be Vlad Guerrero then.
December 24, 201114 yr QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Dec 24, 2011 -> 12:29 PM) I just don't even understand why we'd do that. Are we trying to be the all-pitching, no-hitting Sox of the last five -- largely mediocre -- years? A not yet 23 year-old with the talent of Viciedo is exactly the type of player the organization doesn't have enough of. Don't kid yourself the rotation hasn't been good enough either. Rios and Dunn are going nowhere and there is at least some hope for Beckham.
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