May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 4, 2012 -> 08:39 PM) Is it true that Hawk said "It's easier to find a starter than a closer"? That statement is just wrong on so many levels. I mean, technically it's true. There are 5 times as many starters in baseball than there are closers. And there are many more great starters in baseball than great closers, but still, of equal skill, a starter has much more value.
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ May 4, 2012 -> 07:44 PM) I mean, technically it's true. There are 5 times as many starters in baseball than there are closers. And there are many more great starters in baseball than great closers, but still, of equal skill, a starter has much more value. Yeah, but it's much harder to find a good starter than a good closer. Look at how many random guys get thrown in the 9th inning spot and succeed. You can't say the same thing about starters, especially starters pitching like Sale had been.
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) It's cause they completely botched how they've handled Sale. He should have been starting in the minors last year so that he was ready to log starter's innings this year. This isn't exactly a new topic of conversation on here, and quite frankly, I'm sure a lot of people on here think it was just a matter of time before Sale got injured as a starter. And yes, you absolutely DL him instead of putting him in stressful situations (like which every other team in the majors would do). Also, Sox would probably feel more comfortable with putting him on the DL if not for the idiotic decision of making Santiago a closer out of ST. I don't know if they've botched anything other than overdrafting him. He had/has quite a few similarities to Strasburg and thus scouts and KW believed that he was explosive and hard to pass up on. He's due for "sore elbow" and eventually "Tommy John" because of his questionable throwing motion (inverted-W). Putting him back in the bullpen slows the eventuality of ACL/MCL surgery, while putting him on the DL for a pre-symptom of eventual ACL damage doesn't solve anything. It's a short-term solution for an eventual problem. If I had to guess, I'd say that Sale will be out of commission by mid-to late 2013 with TJ surgery needed.
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (sircaffey @ May 5, 2012 -> 01:54 AM) They may as well trade him. Reed is the best RP in the organization. Does make you wonder what they're going to do with both of those guys? Makes no sense going forward of wasting Reed as a set-up man. Hell, try trading Reed and Thornton for Trumbo. Edited May 5, 201213 yr by fathom
May 5, 201213 yr Author If this franchise had any f***ing clue, they'd have traded Sale for immense value if they internally did not believe he could hold up. All reports state that he wanted to continue starting. Let him go out there a couple more times, make some wild offer (UM DAVID WRIGHT ANYONE??) and upgrade the roster. Tell me Morel + Sale doesn't get you Wright (prior to so publicly pissing on your player's value?) God, this organization is being run by a dolt.
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 5, 2012 -> 03:00 AM) If this franchise had any f***ing clue, they'd have traded Sale for immense value if they internally did not believe he could hold up. All reports state that he wanted to continue starting. Let him go out there a couple more times, make some wild offer (UM DAVID WRIGHT ANYONE??) and upgrade the roster. Tell me Morel + Sale doesn't get you Wright (prior to so publicly pissing on your player's value?) God, this organization is being run by a dolt. Why bring in someone who's a FA after the year and going to make a fortune?
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:00 PM) If this franchise had any f***ing clue, they'd have traded Sale for immense value if they internally did not believe he could hold up. All reports state that he wanted to continue starting. Let him go out there a couple more times, make some wild offer (UM DAVID WRIGHT ANYONE??) and upgrade the roster. Tell me Morel + Sale doesn't get you Wright (prior to so publicly pissing on your player's value?) God, this organization is being run by a dolt. Well, Sale alone should get you more than Wright if other teams had no concern over his mechanics. Plus, Wright's making a ton of money, money we kind of don't have.
May 5, 201213 yr Author QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:01 PM) Why bring in someone who's a FA after the year and going to make a fortune? I'd rather have 5 months of Wright than a career of a relief pitcher. I've been very consistent with how much I care about relief pitchers and the complete randomness of their statistics.
May 5, 201213 yr Author QUOTE (chw42 @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:02 PM) Well, Sale alone should get you more than Wright if other teams had no concern over his mechanics. Plus, Wright's making a ton of money, money we kind of don't have. He does make cash - but either way they flushed Sale's value down the toilet today and could have turned him into something that would make a difference. We already have a long-term closer who would be better in the role than Sale in Addison Reed. This organization is run ass-backwards.
May 5, 201213 yr On the bright side, at least this move hopefully means Kenny won't trade Viciedo for B. Myers or Balfour.
May 5, 201213 yr Are people seriously mad about the org saving this kid's arm? Smart move, better than most teams would've done. Sale is a TJ surgery waiting to happen, hopefully they help him build up the strength to prevent it.
May 5, 201213 yr Closer Sale>Broken Sale. Herm had to of had a say in this and him and the organization have got to believe his arm isnt gonna hold up as a starter. Hopefully KW gets some value back when Matts traded, cant see them keeping both him and Reed...
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:14 PM) Are people seriously mad about the org saving this kid's arm? Smart move, better than most teams would've done. Sale is a TJ surgery waiting to happen, hopefully they help him build up the strength to prevent it. No ones mad about saving his arm. They are mad about how unconventional his handling was, and how perhaps things could have been different if they would have let him develop more traditionally. Especially for an organization starved of anything resembling a SP.
May 5, 201213 yr Well at least we have David Holmberg in the minors....oh wait. http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?s...&pid=571787
May 5, 201213 yr Sale probably makes a good closer. If he can hold up. In hindsight, they should have kept him the bullpen and made him the closer going into this year. Thus Sale will never start again. Opens the door for Axelrod. Hope that he takes this opportunity and does well.
May 5, 201213 yr Still seems like there's a lot more to this story http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,3638732.story
May 5, 201213 yr Isn't this a really bad idea?? They are going to use him even more often.. given we have to have the lead.. but he will be used much more often as a closer than as a starter..maybe less pitches but frequency is sure to be up.
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ May 5, 2012 -> 05:12 AM) Isn't this a really bad idea?? They are going to use him even more often.. given we have to have the lead.. but he will be used much more often as a closer than as a starter..maybe less pitches but frequency is sure to be up. Read the article right above your post. Sale even admitted to being sore when used as a reliever.
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 04:35 PM) Yep, it's true. Sale has tender elbow, and Sox don't want to jeopardize his future I guess. Kenny Williams, please leave I'd help him pack....yes indeed
May 5, 201213 yr Well if he was feeling it last season.. they really should shut him down and figure out what is wrong.. not putting him at closer.. don't like this choice
May 5, 201213 yr I'd be shocked if any relievers were pitching without soreness. That's just something a starter says when he has never relieved before. As he felt soreness he was lighting up the gun at 101, lol
May 5, 201213 yr The White Sox rotation is going to be brutal next year. John Danks Gavin Floyd (if he isn't traded) Phil Humber ?? ??? Ugh. At least Joe Mauer wont get any hits off the Sox after the seventh inning.
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ May 5, 2012 -> 04:23 AM) Well if he was feeling it last season.. they really should shut him down and figure out what is wrong.. not putting him at closer.. don't like this choice If he has a bad arm, he has a bad arm. Shut him down and keep him at starter. How the hell will all the work a closer does help his arm??
May 5, 201213 yr QUOTE (Y2HH @ May 4, 2012 -> 04:50 PM) Why are you people insane? Did I seriously read someone call for KW to "leave" because Sale has a sore elbow?! Seriously? Would Sale be better on the DL? I sometimes wonder about the lack of logic around here. We are requesting his departure because his hasn't done crap in 7 years...and now this???? Edited May 5, 201213 yr by mcgrad70
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