caulfield12 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 "The will to win is worthless, without the will to prepare." Robin Ventura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2013 -> 09:03 PM) "The will to win is worthless, without the will to prepare." Robin Ventura We're totally missing preparation this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Video if you missed it and want to endure it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 25, 2013 -> 07:55 PM) Hey, at least it will be easy to pick out the meatball fans walking around. Not necessarily. They make T-shirts at 2 different spots (at least) at the park, so they could have done some there or even just had a rush order from a local place. Really? I thought it was hilarious, I'd sport a tshirt like that because I think it's funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Apr 25, 2013 -> 11:05 PM) Really? I thought it was hilarious, I'd sport a tshirt like that because I think it's funny. The problem is you'll have Hawk lovers purchasing it, so there's no way to tell you think it's funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 25, 2013 -> 09:46 PM) Video if you missed it and want to endure it. That was painful. His new stat, TWTW, LOL. He is channeling his inner Ron Santo these days. Facts, stats f*** that. Its some will of the force causing wins. The numbers on the back of the baseball card are only appreciated if they were on the card back in 1967. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 25, 2013 -> 11:28 PM) That was painful. His new stat, TWTW, LOL. He is channeling his inner Ron Santo these days. Facts, stats f*** that. Its some will of the force causing wins. The numbers on the back of the baseball card are only appreciated if they were on the card back in 1967. Anyone who thinks Ron Santo was bad at his job has to realize Hawk is just as bad, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 25, 2013 -> 11:48 PM) Anyone who thinks Ron Santo was bad at his job has to realize Hawk is just as bad, right? You would figure that the same people making fun of Santo screaming YES YES YES on fly balls only to hear him grumble when it gets caught near the track think the same when they hear stretch, get on back there, then silence as its an easy fly ball out. I have not been a big fan of Hawk but in the last few years he has been intolerable. We could put a cardboard cutout with a sound board and I don't think most people would know that he wasn't there. I am sure that things that scare Hawk besides Sabr is teenagers, computers, and loud noises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hawk definitely still uses a typewriter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) Hawk definitely still uses a typewriter. This is what goes through Hawks mind when he passes a computer. Edited April 26, 2013 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jake Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hawk has a player/coach mindset. Advanced stats don't always make it easier to coach a player, you can get important marginal gains with BS like increasing TWTW (btw, if you don't think an increase in TWTW doesn't have something to do with Rios's improvement, you're wrong). There are also mechanical/technical adjustments, improved training, etc. that won't be quantifiable or especially predictable. Sabermetrics are really good at explaining what has already happened. Sabermetrics can tell us that Adam Dunn was really valuable even though he struck out a lot and hit a lot of home runs. They may have told us he was trending towards more strikeouts. Unfortunately, Dunn's TWTW or something like that caused an amazingly precipitous downfall. Sabermetrics tell us that Gordon was probably unlucky last year and with neutral luck we should expect a somewhat better year this year. We'll see how accurate that is. There is absolutely a tremendous balance to be achieved between quantitative considerations and qualitative. We are certainly getting better at quantifying things, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 01:07 AM) Hawk has a player/coach mindset. Advanced stats don't always make it easier to coach a player, you can get important marginal gains with BS like increasing TWTW (btw, if you don't think an increase in TWTW doesn't have something to do with Rios's improvement, you're wrong). There are also mechanical/technical adjustments, improved training, etc. that won't be quantifiable or especially predictable. Sabermetrics are really good at explaining what has already happened. Sabermetrics can tell us that Adam Dunn was really valuable even though he struck out a lot and hit a lot of home runs. They may have told us he was trending towards more strikeouts. Unfortunately, Dunn's TWTW or something like that caused an amazingly precipitous downfall. Sabermetrics tell us that Gordon was probably unlucky last year and with neutral luck we should expect a somewhat better year this year. We'll see how accurate that is. There is absolutely a tremendous balance to be achieved between quantitative considerations and qualitative. We are certainly getting better at quantifying things, though. If I know that a guy hits .375 with runners in scoring position in late in close games and puts the ball in play in the air with a man on 3rd and less than two outs. I might walk him to face the guy who puts the ball on the ground most of the time instead of relying on my gut. I might bring in a lefty to move a switch hitter over to the right side because he has a .200 point discrepancy in his OPS late in a game when a home run ties it. Maybe we should just have the players wear mood rings so we can see their will to win is that day. Dunn is not having problems because his grinder rule 2.0 ( TWTW ) is low. Maybe its because his bat is slower due to age, or he has a mechanical flaw or due to advanced scouting they are exploiting a flaw in his approach. Rios was a change in his stance. Great another year of made up crap because Hawk and the marketing department Jedi mind tricks the masses. Edited April 26, 2013 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 01:40 AM) If I know that a guy hits .375 with runners in scoring position in late in close games and puts the ball in play in the air with a man on 3rd and less than two outs. I might walk him to face the guy who puts the ball on the ground most of the time instead of relying on my gut. I might bring in a lefty to move a switch hitter over to the right side because he has a .200 point discrepancy in his OPS late in a game when a home run ties it. Maybe we should just have the players wear mood rings so we can see their will to win is that day. Dunn is not having problems because his grinder rule 2.0 ( TWTW ) is low. Maybe its because his bat is slower due to age, or he has a mechanical flaw or due to advanced scouting they are exploiting a flaw in his approach. Rios was a change in his stance. Great another year of made up crap because Hawk and the marketing department Jedi mind tricks the masses. None of which come from advanced statistics. Those all from watching games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hawk didnt read or watch "Moneyball" but he knows whats in it and what not in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2013 -> 06:59 PM) Are we sure that the marketing department didn't "plant" this catch-phrase or at least suggest it to Harrelson? It's fine if we have a good enough team. It's incredibly dangerous if we finish 72-90. Because right away, there will be numerous jokes about Adam Dunn "not having the will to win." Every time he K's, in fact. More people think this was a set up http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/4/26/4268...etwork-reaction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Let's make up TWTW shirts with a spot to write in the current win-loss record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 01:07 AM) Hawk has a player/coach mindset. Advanced stats don't always make it easier to coach a player, you can get important marginal gains with BS like increasing TWTW (btw, if you don't think an increase in TWTW doesn't have something to do with Rios's improvement, you're wrong). There are also mechanical/technical adjustments, improved training, etc. that won't be quantifiable or especially predictable. Sabermetrics are really good at explaining what has already happened. Sabermetrics can tell us that Adam Dunn was really valuable even though he struck out a lot and hit a lot of home runs. They may have told us he was trending towards more strikeouts. Unfortunately, Dunn's TWTW or something like that caused an amazingly precipitous downfall. Sabermetrics tell us that Gordon was probably unlucky last year and with neutral luck we should expect a somewhat better year this year. We'll see how accurate that is. There is absolutely a tremendous balance to be achieved between quantitative considerations and qualitative. We are certainly getting better at quantifying things, though. Sabermetrics are also really good at predicting what is likely to happen, which is a big reason they are valuable. Please don't confuse TWTW with actual scouting or mechanical adjustments, they are not one in the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I find it embarrasing that Hawk is our announcer. He's bad at his job, and now this episode makes him look like a buffoon. But... I actually LOVE the idea of this #TWTW marketing campaign. This team and its fanbase needed a shot in the arm, and this might work. I like it, even if it was planted. Either way it works. I hope they run with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) I find it embarrasing that Hawk is our announcer. He's bad at his job, and now this episode makes him look like a buffoon. But... I actually LOVE the idea of this #TWTW marketing campaign. This team and its fanbase needed a shot in the arm, and this might work. I like it, even if it was planted. Either way it works. I hope they run with it. I agree...I think it is brilliant...obviously this is all a little bit tongue and cheek, but I think it's flat out brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 25, 2013 -> 09:46 PM) Video if you missed it and want to endure it. He f***ing said OBPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 10:58 AM) I agree...I think it is brilliant...obviously this is all a little bit tongue and cheek, but I think it's flat out brilliant. It looks kinda silly when you're losing a lot, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) It looks kinda silly when you're losing a lot, though. And if they lose, it will just go away....if we win, it will become a season-long rallying cry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 11:07 AM) He f***ing said OBPS. I think he was being sarcastic by throwing out fake stuff...I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 11:29 AM) And if they lose, it will just go away....if we win, it will become a season-long rallying cry... If they continue to lose it will be an embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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