Lillian Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I love Viciedo, and I'm very excited about what he might become. However, if the Sox are really trying to make it to the Post Season this year, why isn't Dan Johnson a better fit for this team, for the rest of this season? Viciedo is still very young, and still learning. He has not learned to take pitches well enough to maintain a respectable OBP. He has never put up the kinds of numbers that Johnson is putting up against RHP. Johnson has been a monster vs. righties. This team could still benefit tremendously from better balance in the lineup. Youklis adds yet another right handed bat, but Dunn has begun to revert back to his inability to do much more than hit the long ball. His strike outs are still far too high to make him the consistent left handed bat that this lineup could use. A. J. has had a great first half, but his power numbers are likely to come back to his historical level. Johnson could provide another solid left handed bat vs. righties, and he provides both power and OBP. At least for this season, Johnson would seem to be a better option in LF than Viciedo. The OBP at the bottom of the current order consisting of Viciedo, Ramirez and Beckham is just dreadful. I'd go with something like this vs. RHP: CF de Aza 3B Youklis 1B Konerko DH Dunn RF Rios LF Johnson SS Ramirez C A. J. 2B Beckham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 07:51 AM) I love Viciedo, and I'm very excited about what he might become. However, if the Sox are really trying to make it to the Post Season this year, why isn't Dan Johnson a better fit for this team, for the rest of this season? Viciedo is still very young, and still learning. He has not learned to take pitches well enough to maintain a respectable OBP. He has never put up the kinds of numbers that Johnson is putting up against RHP. Johnson has been a monster vs. righties. This team could still benefit tremendously from better balance in the lineup. Youklis adds yet another right handed bat, but Dunn has begun to revert back to his inability to do much more than hit the long ball. His strike outs are still far too high to make him the consistent left handed bat that this lineup could use. A. J. has had a great first half, but his power numbers are likely to come back to his historical level. Johnson could provide another solid left handed bat vs. righties, and he provides both power and OBP. At least for this season, Johnson would seem to be a better option in LF than Viciedo. The OBP at the bottom of the current order consisting of Viciedo, Ramirez and Beckham is just dreadful. I'd go with something like this vs. RHP: CF de Aza 3B Youklis 1B Konerko DH Dunn RF Rios LF Johnson SS Ramirez C A. J. 2B Beckham In AAA. The end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 What would you do with Viciedo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Dan Johnson had an OPS of .389 with Tampa last year. (no that is not a misprint).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Viciedo is much more valuable. Plus, he needs this entire year at the MLB lavel to see how he adjusts to the pitching. So far, I think things are going well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 07:59 AM) Dan Johnson had an OPS of .389 with Tampa last year. (no that is not a misprint).. How is that...how can...really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 08:02 AM) How is that...how can...really? his last 3 seasons at the major league level have been .236/.349/.768 .198/.343/.757 .119/.187/.389 And this is skipping his equally miserable 2008 where he only got 11 at bats. Definition of a AAAA player. Im sticking with Dayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Who would you send down? Viciedo or Escobar? Or a pitcher? Or Adam Dunn? Can't send Dunn to minors, you would have to cut him (won't happen) or put him on the DL for 15 days. Escobar is back up SS, 2B, 3B, etc. Many think Viciedo has big time future with Sox. The way Dunn is (not) hitting, not a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Well this thread been blowed up real good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Because he isn't good /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 We would be thrilled and surprised if Dan Johnson put up the same numbers that Dayan has Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Lillian seems to have an affinity for scrubs. First Dallas McPherson and now Dan Johnson? No thank you. Edited June 26, 2012 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 09:13 AM) Lillian seems to have an affinity for scrubs. First Dallas McPherson and now Dan Johnson? No thank you. I was trying to figure out which good starter Lillian would want benched now that De Aza is awesome and the Elf is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Why is Conor Jackson still at Charlotte? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 I knew that I would get torched for this thread, but then I remember tauting de Aza before, and more than anyone on this board. How did that work out? I said that I love Viciedo, but Johnson is probably a better hitter at this point in their careers. Viciedo has 4 doubles and 13 homers in the first half, and his OBP is just .300. That is easy production to replace. He's only 23, and has plenty of time to develop. Have any of you even looked at Johnson's split stats this year? Here are some points for starters. Versus RHP he has 50 walks and only 30 SO. His OBP is .467. His OPS is .1,122 He's hit for more power on the road than at home, so the argument that he's playing in a "band box" doesn't hold water. I know that he struggled the last couple years in the Majors, but he was recovering from a broken wrist. Right now he is performing at a level far to high to ignore. As far as Connor Jackson is concerned; Yes, I do think that he can still rejuvenate his career. Valley Fever is a devastating illness, and completely explains how his production dropped so dramatically. Remember, he was very highly tauted, and put up very good numbers in his first 3 MLB seasons, at a young age. And he is not too old to regain his former hitting prowess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) I knew that I would get torched for this thread, but then I remember tauting de Aza before, and more than anyone on this board. How did that work out? I said that I love Viciedo, but Johnson is probably a better hitter at this point in their careers. Viciedo has 4 doubles and 13 homers in the first half, and his OBP is just .300. That is easy production to replace. He's only 23, and has plenty of time to develop. Have any of you even looked at Johnson's split stats this year? Here are some points for starters. Versus RHP he has 50 walks and only 30 SO. His OBP is .467. His OPS is .1,122 He's hit for more power on the road than at home, so the argument that he's playing in a "band box" doesn't hold water. I know that he struggled the last couple years in the Majors, but he was recovering from a broken wrist. Right now he is performing at a level far to high to ignore. As far as Connor Jackson is concerned; Yes, I do think that he can still rejuvenate his career. Valley Fever is a devastating illness, and completely explains how his production dropped so dramatically. Remember, he was very highly tauted, and put up very good numbers in his first 3 MLB seasons, at a young age. And he is not too old to regain his former hitting prowess. But then you wanted De Aza platooning with Lilli. And Viciedo is a vastly superior hitter to Dan Johnson at this point in their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Dan Johnson blows. That's why he's in Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) I knew that I would get torched for this thread, but then I remember tauting de Aza before, and more than anyone on this board. How did that work out? I said that I love Viciedo, but Johnson is probably a better hitter at this point in their careers. Viciedo has 4 doubles and 13 homers in the first half, and his OBP is just .300. That is easy production to replace. He's only 23, and has plenty of time to develop. Have any of you even looked at Johnson's split stats this year? Here are some points for starters. Versus RHP he has 50 walks and only 30 SO. His OBP is .467. His OPS is .1,122 He's hit for more power on the road than at home, so the argument that he's playing in a "band box" doesn't hold water. I know that he struggled the last couple years in the Majors, but he was recovering from a broken wrist. Right now he is performing at a level far to high to ignore. As far as Connor Jackson is concerned; Yes, I do think that he can still rejuvenate his career. Valley Fever is a devastating illness, and completely explains how his production dropped so dramatically. Remember, he was very highly tauted, and put up very good numbers in his first 3 MLB seasons, at a young age. And he is not too old to regain his former hitting prowess. Dan Johnson is putting up those numbers at AAA, not on a ML team somewhere. Johnson is playing in AAA for the 8th year now. Plus a year in Japan. He last stops in major league parks have been disasters, someone posted them earlier. He is a classic 4A player. The guy hasn't cleared .200 at the major league level since 2007. Plus he is 32 years old now. He is past his prime, so I don't get the expectation that he would be better at the major league level than he has been for five years now. He has been putting up great numbers at AAA and in Japan for years now, but that hasn't translated to any sort of success a the major league level for years now. I'd have no problem if they called Johnson up as a back up in the OF and IF, but to replace Dayan Viciedo? No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 10:45 AM) Dan Johnson is putting up those numbers at AAA, not on a ML team somewhere. Johnson is playing in AAA for the 8th year now. Plus a year in Japan. He last stops in major league parks have been disasters, someone posted them earlier. He is a classic 4A player. The guy hasn't cleared .200 at the major league level since 2007. Plus he is 32 years old now. He is past his prime, so I don't get the expectation that he would be better at the major league level than he has been for five years now. He has been putting up great numbers at AAA and in Japan for years now, but that hasn't translated to any sort of success a the major league level for years now. I'd have no problem if they called Johnson up as a back up in the OF and IF, but to replace Dayan Viciedo? No way. Fine as a backup, but not to replace Viciedo is what he is exactly. I'd understand an argument to bring him up, but the argument for replacing Viciedo is not logical. Edited June 26, 2012 by onedude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 10:39 AM) But then you wanted De Aza platooning with Lilli. And Viciedo is a vastly superior hitter to Dan Johnson at this point in their careers. Yes, I did indeed think that Lillibridge had earned a chance to play vs. lefties, especially since de Aza had never demonstrated an ability to hit lefties very well. Alejandro has been terrific vs. RHP, and I'm very happy to see that lately he seems to be improving versus lefties, especially now that Lillibridge is gone. Of course, I don't regard Johnson's stats as projectable to the Major League level. But an OBP of .467 should project to somewhere north of .350, which would be a significant improvement over Viciedo's .300. At the same time, he still represents a power threat, which is about all Viciedo really is, at this point in his still very early career. Edited June 26, 2012 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Dan Johnson should be on this roster based on his performance so far at Charlotte. No need for Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 12:21 PM) Dan Johnson should be on this roster based on his performance so far at Charlotte. No need for Hudson. Dan Johnson doesn't strike me as much of a backup 2b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) I knew that I would get torched for this thread, but then I remember tauting de Aza before, and more than anyone on this board. How did that work out? I said that I love Viciedo, but Johnson is probably a better hitter at this point in their careers. Viciedo has 4 doubles and 13 homers in the first half, and his OBP is just .300. That is easy production to replace. He's only 23, and has plenty of time to develop. Have any of you even looked at Johnson's split stats this year? Here are some points for starters. Versus RHP he has 50 walks and only 30 SO. His OBP is .467. His OPS is .1,122 He's hit for more power on the road than at home, so the argument that he's playing in a "band box" doesn't hold water. I know that he struggled the last couple years in the Majors, but he was recovering from a broken wrist. Right now he is performing at a level far to high to ignore. As far as Connor Jackson is concerned; Yes, I do think that he can still rejuvenate his career. Valley Fever is a devastating illness, and completely explains how his production dropped so dramatically. Remember, he was very highly tauted, and put up very good numbers in his first 3 MLB seasons, at a young age. And he is not too old to regain his former hitting prowess. NSS, Balta and myself disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 11:25 AM) Dan Johnson doesn't strike me as much of a backup 2b. How many backup 2b's do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) How many backup 2b's do you need? at the same time, we already have 3 players that can play 1st, why do we need another? Im not really comfortable platooning Johnson at 3rd and maybe the outfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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