July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (Jillian Michaels' Abs @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:41 PM) 1. James Shields 2. Zack Greinke 3. Anyone other than Axelrod i would prefer shields over greinke. its going to take a lot to get either and we would have shields for another two years at an affordable contract. greinke would most likely just be a rental considering he will get more than 5 year$$ and the sox wouldnt commit for that long(esp. with whats happend to danks after getting 5 yrs) i saw on mlbrumors that a scout thinks shields is fustrated and could use a change of scenery. he was great last year and pitches in the toughest division. with grienke, theres also the whole pressure/pitching on the road/large market thing to worry about as well
July 16, 201213 yr I don't see how the Sox could get Greinke without giving up Viciedo. Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein Not without getting very creative and incl. big leagues. RT @ErikPerez08: @Kevin_Goldstein Do the ChiSox have the pieces to acquire Grienke?
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:52 PM) I don't see how the Sox could get Greinke without giving up Viciedo. I would usually agree with you but times are changing. Greinke will be a rental and without the chance for teams to get a draft pick for him, I have to believe that the offers will be reasonable. Texas has the deepest farm system involved and I don't think they would even consider Profar or Olt without an extension.
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:57 PM) Is Greinke a free agent after this season? yea so he would be a rental
July 16, 201213 yr According to Cot's, Shields has two team options left, $9m for 2013, $12m for 2014. I'd trade Viciedo and pieces for him, then go out and find a mediocre LF on the cheap.
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 03:01 PM) According to Cot's, Shields has two team options left, $9m for 2013, $12m for 2014. I'd trade Viciedo and pieces for him, then go out and find a mediocre LF on the cheap. marty already gave a suggestion
July 16, 201213 yr If we can resign him I'd give up Q, Jones, and Mitchell maybe even Castro/Hernandez if it takes that much
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 03:05 PM) If we trade Viciedo for Greinke. Make another deal with MN for Willingham. Milwaukee would be crazy to do this.
July 16, 201213 yr If the Sox were to go after Greinke, I'd hope they wouldn't offer a ton with him being only a rental. I would think there's no way the Sox could afford to re-sign him.
July 16, 201213 yr If the Sox were to go after Greinke, I'd hope they wouldn't offer a ton with him being only a rental. I would think there's no way the Sox could afford to re-sign him. We do have Peavy, AJ and Floyd money coming off the books.
July 16, 201213 yr http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-kn...arting-pitchers The White Sox, as CBSSports.com colleague Jon Heyman wrote today, have prioritized starting pitching in trade talks this week, with Zack Greinke the top target. MLB Sports Report @MLBSportsReport #WhiteSox are expected to make a big offer for Zack Greinke, source says. Looks like Greinke is KW #1 choice. Edited July 16, 201213 yr by SOXOBAMA
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 03:18 PM) We do have Peavy, AJ and Floyd money coming off the books. True, but I thought I remember seeing that he'd be expected to make $20+ million a year. It would be nice, though.
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 03:20 PM) http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-kn...arting-pitchers The White Sox, as CBSSports.com colleague Jon Heyman wrote today, have prioritized starting pitching in trade talks this week, with Zack Greinke the top target. MLB Sports Report @MLBSportsReport #WhiteSox are expected to make a big offer for Zack Greinke, source says. Looks like Greinke is KW #1 choice. KW is absolutely doing the right thing here. Greinke is a difference maker.
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) Could AJ and Greinke play nice? what happend between the two?
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 03:36 PM) what happend between the two? For starters, they are from rival schools in Florida. That may be the extent of it; I'm not sure.
July 16, 201213 yr i don't feel like we have what it takes to get greinke, but you might as well get involved if for no other reason than to drive up the price.
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:34 PM) KW is absolutely doing the right thing here. Greinke is a difference maker. We'd have to give up way too much to get Greinke, unless picking up his salary and some minor league prospects were enough. No way does Kenny get rid of Dayan IMO
July 16, 201213 yr Marty34 coming into 2013 when the Sox don't make the playoffs...because their offense goes into the "Tanks" when Juan Pierre puts up a .597 OPS replacing Viciedo. "KW should be fired for giving up Viciedo, Mitchell and Jones for Greinke. We didn't re-sign him and now this team's at least 3-4 years from being able to compete again. We won't ever draw 2,000,000 fans again, and customers at Applebee's in Lawrence will forget Ozzie or the White Sox even existed by 2015." Notice not even Marty's saying we should sign Greinke for $120-140 million over 6 years. He now just thinks we should "rent" him for the next 2 1/2 months. Edited July 16, 201213 yr by caulfield12
July 16, 201213 yr I wanted Greinke way back when he was with KC, but I do not see how we can outbid some of the other teams for his services.
July 16, 201213 yr I think Shields makes more sense than Greinke, and that Tampa might have more use for a corner outfielder like Viciedo. The Brewers have absolutely no need for Tank.
July 16, 201213 yr I want nothing to do with Greinke (for the price it will take). His struggles on the road in the NL the last two years raise some red flags to me. Edited July 16, 201213 yr by fathom
July 16, 201213 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 16, 2012 -> 02:54 PM) I think Shields makes more sense than Greinke, and that Tampa might have more use for a corner outfielder like Viciedo. The Brewers have absolutely no need for Tank. Okay, then who are we going to play in LF if we did trade him? Dan Johnson? Pierre? I can see Williams giving up Mitchell and Jones (if Crain is going to be healthy), but not Viciedo. And Shields' contract is pretty similar to Gavin Floyd's ($9.5 million for 2013) so it's not like we're getting anything resembling a cheap pitcher. Tampa Bay really can't afford to keep pitchers like Shields on their roster with their attendance issues anyway. Under no circumstances would I deal Viciedo for Shields. There have to be other options. Shields isn't a #1 guy in the true sense of it. Good/solid, but not great. Edited July 16, 201213 yr by caulfield12
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