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You know what the match up today is?

 

Peavy vs. Gio

 

A lot of fans wish we kept Gio.

 

Now, to wite with the forecast.

 

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 31, 2012 -> 01:22 AM)
I read the topic. Didn't care about anything else anybody else has said, so if what I say is aforementioned, then many kudos.

 

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It depends upon which time you were talking about.

 

Had the Sox not traded for Jim Thome, they'd have been left with an 02-04ish offense, hoping and praying that Frank Thomas could stay healthy. They'd still be destroyed by great right handed pitching, and as a result probably would have only won 87 games instead of 90. That's IF they had kept Thomas.

 

Had they still let Thomas walk, the best case scenario I can see is that they would have ended up with Nomar Garciaparra. They still lose 3 wins.

 

That's at the very best.

 

Now, if you're an old school type who believes that protection in the lineup helps generate production from other players, than perhaps Jermaine Dye doesn't hit 44 home runs, perhaps Paul Konerko doesn't put up the exact same numbers as MVP Justin Morneau, and perhaps other pieces from the lineup fall as well. Perhaps the Sox lose 10 wins, are ridiculously far out of it at the break, and deal Freddy Garcia for 2 other prospects. And then never get Gio back, and after another very bad year in 2008, the Sox fire both Williams and Guillen and hire Dan Evans and Gene Lamont to run the team.

 

I think we all know how that one goes.

 

 

Now, had they not traded him the second time, which is the one I think you are getting at, having never read a single word of your post, then the Sox don't end up with Nick Swisher. Now, depending upon how strictly and strongly you believe in the statistic WAR, and whose definition you believe most in (baseballreference or fangraphs), the Sox are either better off without Swisher (-0.5 bWAR) or Nick Swisher was worth more than 1 win for the 2008 Chicago White Sox (1.3 fWAR). I give much more credence towards fWAR but I'm a homer, so do as you please.

 

But since, in this revisionist's history, we are using that, and we are using it to mean Nick Swisher was literally worth 1+ more wins than the average Joe they could have put in place, then what we would have seen would have been DeWayne Wise putting up 2 WAR in August alone and -3 WAR in the months outside of that, given general estimation. On top of that, even had the Sox found a perfect replacement level player to play instead of Swisher, who would have put up exactly a 0 fWAR, the Sox would have given up the division lead in the second game in the Metrodome, the final win against Cleveland wouldn't have mattered, they'd have never played the makeup game against Detroit, and the blackout game would have never taken place, thus, no Griffey/Thome/Danks show, and we would have never seen the batting champion-to-be bunt in his last plate appearance of the year attempting to get on base.

 

At that point in time, 2009 would have been far more disappointing, and the Sox almost certainly would have never had the resources to sign Dayan Viciedo during the 2008-09 offseason. They'd be in a full blown rebuilding mode, still with Dan Evans and Gene Lamont in charge. Going into the 4th year of Reinsdorf's always too generous length of stay, the Sox would be coming off their 2nd straight 90+ loss season with an absolute garbage product on the field but hope beyond hope in the minors with a top 10 system in the league.

 

 

 

But atleast they'd still have Gio f***in Gonzalez.

 

PEAVY

 

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VS.

 

GONZALEZ

 

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PEAVY GOT THIS ON LOCK

 

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QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 12:53 PM)
This is not a guy I worry about offensively.

 

 

But then again, I do not at all have the 2012 offense expectations for him.

 

He can hit, and he will. Just saying, facing a lefty might not be a bad thing for him. Just hope Gio is off a little tonight.

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Span 8, Werth 9, Harper 7, Zimmerman 5, LaRoche 3, Desmond 6, Espinosa 4, Ramos 2, Gonzalez 1

 

How long does it take Hawk to say, "Span killed us in that Twinkie uniform"?

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 01:36 PM)
The White Sox were never called the White Stockings.

 

But the Cubs were.

There's a debate over the use of 'Chicago' in the name, but they were originally named the White Stockings.

 

Per Wink: "One of the American League's eight charter franchises, the Chicago team was established as a major league baseball club in 1900. The club was originally called the Chicago White Stockings, after the nickname abandoned by the Cubs"

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QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 02:44 PM)
There's a debate over the use of 'Chicago' in the name, but they were originally named the White Stockings.

 

Per Wink: "One of the American League's eight charter franchises, the Chicago team was established as a major league baseball club in 1900. The club was originally called the Chicago White Stockings, after the nickname abandoned by the Cubs"

So the Cubs had it first, but the Sox also had it after, briefly? I didn't know that middle part. I only knew about the Cubs. I stand corrected.

 

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QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 02:29 PM)
Don Cooper sick. Not there tonight.

 

White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper will miss Tuesday’s game after he was hospitalized with diverticulitis. (Diverticulitis is small, bulging sacs or pouches of the inner lining of the intestine (diverticulosis) that become inflamed or infected. Most often, these pouches are in the large intestine (colon)

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QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 03:12 PM)
White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper will miss Tuesday’s game after he was hospitalized with diverticulitis. (Diverticulitis is small, bulging sacs or pouches of the inner lining of the intestine (diverticulosis) that become inflamed or infected. Most often, these pouches are in the large intestine (colon)

 

My mom had that. Those attacks are no joke. Painful and uncomfortable. She eventually had to have some of her colon removed.

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QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 03:12 PM)
White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper will miss Tuesday's game after he was hospitalized with diverticulitis. (Diverticulitis is small, bulging sacs or pouches of the inner lining of the intestine (diverticulosis) that become inflamed or infected. Most often, these pouches are in the large intestine (colon)

 

I'd like to know how many drinks he had between getting on the plane and the end of the basketball game last night.

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QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 01:12 PM)
White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper will miss Tuesday’s game after he was hospitalized with diverticulitis. (Diverticulitis is small, bulging sacs or pouches of the inner lining of the intestine (diverticulosis) that become inflamed or infected. Most often, these pouches are in the large intestine (colon)

Say so long to sunflower seeds and hello to a new diet, Coop.

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QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 01:12 PM)
Span 8, Werth 9, Harper 7, Zimmerman 5, LaRoche 3, Desmond 6, Espinosa 4, Ramos 2, Gonzalez 1

 

How long does it take Hawk to say, "Span killed us in that Twinkie uniform"?

 

Wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the very first things he says in the broadcast, probably before the first pitch is even thrown.

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