February 4, 201412 yr Some of the first scouting reports this year's crop of July 2nd prospects are just starting to hit the internet, and the White Sox under Rick Hahn and Marco Paddy expect to be major players during this cycle. Allan Quatermain of BreakingBlue.com (A Toronto Blue Jays blog) has posted some write ups on 10 of the top prospects that this class has to offer. The White Sox expect to have a pool around $5 million to spend this year. http://www.breakingblue.ca/2014/01/29/2014...-agents-part-i/
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 11:47 AM) Some of the first scouting reports this year's crop of July 2nd prospects are just starting to hit the internet, and the White Sox under Rick Hahn and Marco Paddy expect to be major players during this cycle. Allan Quatermain of BreakingBlue.com (A Toronto Blue Jays blog) has posted some write ups on 10 of the top prospects that this class has to offer. The White Sox expect to have a pool around $5 million to spend this year. http://www.breakingblue.ca/2014/01/29/2014...-agents-part-i/ Interesting that the top player is expected to be a catcher.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) Interesting that the top player is expected to be a catcher. Eh, just turned 16. If he sticks at catcher it will be a minor miracle.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 11:55 AM) Eh, just turned 16. If he sticks at catcher it will be a minor miracle. We also know the Sox have been actively trying to add talent to the catcher position in our farm system.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) Interesting that the top player is expected to be a catcher. They are listed by position, according to the article, Dermis Garcia (SS-3B) is the top guy and is expected to sign with the Yanks for $3M+. Article also says that Yanks plan on spending $10M+ this summer in free agency. Not sure what the level of penalty is they receive for that, but that seems a bit extreme as they are likely to be allotted around $3M total.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 12:11 PM) We also know the Sox have been actively trying to add talent to the catcher position in our farm system. That much is true, and I could see them involved with the guy, but I think you just try and add as much talent as your buck will allow.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 12:37 PM) They are listed by position, according to the article, Dermis Garcia (SS-3B) is the top guy and is expected to sign with the Yanks for $3M+. Article also says that Yanks plan on spending $10M+ this summer in free agency. Not sure what the level of penalty is they receive for that, but that seems a bit extreme as they are likely to be allotted around $3M total. Yeah, I would not be surprised one bit if the yanks spent that much or more. ESPN rated their farm 20th and they gave their 2014 1st and 2nd round picks to Atlanta and Boston so they have to replenish somehow.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 06:37 PM) They are listed by position, according to the article, Dermis Garcia (SS-3B) is the top guy and is expected to sign with the Yanks for $3M+. Article also says that Yanks plan on spending $10M+ this summer in free agency. Not sure what the level of penalty is they receive for that, but that seems a bit extreme as they are likely to be allotted around $3M total. I like how I believed the Yanks were serious in staying underneath luxury max.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 01:30 PM) I like how I believed the Yanks were serious in staying underneath luxury max. I think they were, until they missed the playoffs, now they just say f*** it and throw money at the problem. They are in for a tough run here with a lot of guys that are underperforming their contracts or will underperform them along the way. The Tanaka signing will be a bad deal for them, because by the time they are able to compete again, he will opt out.
February 4, 201412 yr The guys I liked in order OF Alexander Paredes C Brandon Benavente P Huascar Ynoa SS/3B Yirver Gilbert Lara P Tomas Alastre 1B/OF Bryan Pena If we can get those top 2 for me, that would be ideal.
February 4, 201412 yr According to BA, here are the penalties for going over your budget this season: • 0-5 percent over pool: 75 percent tax on the pool overage. • 5-10 percent over pool: 75 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $500,000 during the 2014-15 signing period. • 10-15 percent over pool: 100 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $500,000 during the 2014-15 signing period. • 15 percent or more over pool: 100 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $250,000 during the 2014-15 signing period The Sox should have about $3.5M this year to spend while the Yanks should have about $1.6M. From the article sounds like they are going to double that on one player, so it will be interesting to see how MLB reacts.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) According to BA, here are the penalties for going over your budget this season: • 0-5 percent over pool: 75 percent tax on the pool overage. • 5-10 percent over pool: 75 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $500,000 during the 2014-15 signing period. • 10-15 percent over pool: 100 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $500,000 during the 2014-15 signing period. • 15 percent or more over pool: 100 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $250,000 during the 2014-15 signing period The Sox should have about $3.5M this year to spend while the Yanks should have about $1.6M. From the article sounds like they are going to double that on one player, so it will be interesting to see how MLB reacts. MLB built this system so that there was that loophole, with a huge luxury tax and a major limit on what the teams could do the next year. If a team like the Yankees wants to go all-in on several guys this year, they can legally do it but they pay 2x the cost and they effectively sign no one internationally the next year. How would we like it if we sat out an entire year internationally? That doesn't sound too useful.
February 4, 201412 yr Author The guys I liked were: Yirver Gilbert Lara Brandon Benavente Miguel Flames Alexander Paredes I am hoping that the Sox go all out on two guys this signing period, which will be a huge boost to the system.
February 4, 201412 yr So the Cubs can't sign a guy for over $250k this year, and they have like $5 million in cap room? I bet that means them and the Yankees work some deals to sell that space.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 02:21 PM) MLB built this system so that there was that loophole, with a huge luxury tax and a major limit on what the teams could do the next year. If a team like the Yankees wants to go all-in on several guys this year, they can legally do it but they pay 2x the cost and they effectively sign no one internationally the next year. How would we like it if we sat out an entire year internationally? That doesn't sound too useful. We sat out most years internationally....j/k I just think it sucks the year that the Sox have a big bonus to spend the Yankees are planning to swoop in and sign everyone they can. If the Yankees can sign one high profile guy this year and next within the system, wouldn't it be better just to sign 4-5 this season and take next year off? Especially if the group this year is better as indicated in the article. The Yankees are planning on spending twice their bonus on a guy that, within the system, only the Sox, Astros, Marlins, and Twins should be able to afford (Cubs broke spending cap last year). Its a loophole, and it violates the spirit of the rule. They dont sit out the next season either, they are restricted to a max deal of $250K per player, which is more than the Sox traditionally spent before the new system was in place. Sign me up for Bryan Pena, the system needs all the LH bats it can get.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 04:27 PM) Not a bad call. I am sure there are more teams that are looking to do what the Yankees are they just refrain from publicly acknowledging so. I hope the White Sox are of those other teams. That being said a team is only allowed to trade 50% of their bonus pool. I have a question out to Ben Balder to verify if that is true.
February 4, 201412 yr QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 03:33 PM) The guys I liked were: Yirver Gilbert Lara Brandon Benavente Miguel Flames Alexander Paredes I am hoping that the Sox go all out on two guys this signing period, which will be a huge boost to the system. I'd be ecstatic with Paredes and Benavente.
February 4, 201412 yr I want 3B Miguel Flames, because look at that damn name. Flames....yeah, sign him up.
February 5, 201412 yr QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 04:36 PM) I am sure this is the article the prompted your inquiry but if not here's Badler's article on international money pool trading. http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...ol-space-works/ Balder did confirm that teams who are restricted in signings because of over spending the previous year, DO receive their full bonus poll allotment, and are able to trade those allotments, with the exceptions outlined under the rules (no more than half, no trades for cash, etc)
February 5, 201412 yr QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 02:15 PM) Yeah, I would not be surprised one bit if the yanks spent that much or more. ESPN rated their farm 20th and they gave their 2014 1st and 2nd round picks to Atlanta and Boston so they have to replenish somehow. Well it should help their cause that they will get two picks in rounds 1b and 2 (Grandy and Cano)
February 5, 201412 yr Author QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 05:07 PM) I'd be ecstatic with Paredes and Benavente. I love Paredes' swing, with that open stance. Edited February 5, 201412 yr by Joshua Strong
February 5, 201412 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 12:21 PM) MLB built this system so that there was that loophole, with a huge luxury tax and a major limit on what the teams could do the next year. If a team like the Yankees wants to go all-in on several guys this year, they can legally do it but they pay 2x the cost and they effectively sign no one internationally the next year. How would we like it if we sat out an entire year internationally? That doesn't sound too useful. I'd be fine as long as you went crazy every other year. I believe that is what Texas did?
February 5, 201412 yr QUOTE (Pale Sox @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 07:51 PM) Well it should help their cause that they will get two picks in rounds 1b and 2 (Grandy and Cano) According to the MLB site, their first pick is #56 in the second round and their next pick is #92. They forfeited their comp round picks by signing Ellsbury and Beltran. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2014/order.jsp
February 6, 201412 yr QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 5, 2014 -> 02:55 PM) According to the MLB site, their first pick is #56 in the second round and their next pick is #92. They forfeited their comp round picks by signing Ellsbury and Beltran. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2014/order.jsp Well whaddya know... Good looking out.
February 6, 201412 yr When are teams eligible to sign these international players? Around draft time?
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