Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 He has July ROTM locked up, but what are his POTM chances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 He has July ROTM locked up, but what are his POTM chances? AL July OPS: Abreu 1.064 Hosmer 1.044 Carter 1.043 Santana 1.043 Machado 1.041 AL July HR: Carter 8 Santana 8 Abreu 6 Ortiz 6 Beltre 6 Gardner 6 Trout 6 AL July RBI: Ortiz 25 Hunter 22 Abreu 19 Carter 19 Santana 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) AL July OPS: Abreu 1.064 Hosmer 1.044 Carter 1.043 Santana 1.043 Machado 1.041 AL July HR: Carter 8 Santana 8 Abreu 6 Ortiz 6 Beltre 6 Gardner 6 Trout 6 AL July RBI: Ortiz 25 Hunter 22 Abreu 19 Carter 19 Santana 18 Thanks how about batting average ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 01:02 PM) Thanks how about batting average ? Hosmer is hitting .400 in July. Abreu at .359, Ackley at .390, Kendrick at .361. It will be either Santana, Abreu, Hosmer, or Hunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Crap, I just realized Abreu can opt into arbitration and out of his guaranteed salary after three years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 04:02 PM) Crap, I just realized Abreu can opt into arbitration and out of his guaranteed salary after three years... Don't worry about it because if that happens it means he's one of the best players in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 02:05 PM) Don't worry about it because if that happens it means he's one of the best players in MLB. I know, but it takes a bit of the luster off that contract figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 04:02 PM) Crap, I just realized Abreu can opt into arbitration and out of his guaranteed salary after three years... Because of comp salaries, there is very little chance it happens in his first arb year. There just aren't many big 4th year salaries for him to compare to for an arbiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:06 AM) thanks Just google Clay Davenport Jose Abreu and you will find all kinds of pre-signed articles about Jose Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Eno Sarris @enosarris Abreu's in news, so here's his Davenport Translation (biggest sample): .321/.446/.660. DT for Cespedes .271/.338/.489 (real: 265/.324/.472) 4:12 PM - 17 Oct 2013 I remember everyone making a big deal over this tweet. Edited July 30, 2014 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 It is pathetic that everyone has pretty much given Trout the MVP already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 11:28 PM) It is pathetic that everyone has pretty much given Trout the MVP already. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 06:38 PM) Why? Trout's numbers aren't much better then Abreu's and there are still 2 more months left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 04:47 PM) Trout's numbers aren't much better then Abreu's and there are still 2 more months left Trout is also an incredible defensive outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 “Where I come from, we don’t like losing,” Abreu said through a translator. “It’s a matter of fact. We don’t like that. The one thing I can tell you is that I feel like we have a good team here. We have some players here that if we continue to ask more of each other, we can win this year.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 06:52 PM) Trout is also an incredible defensive outfielder. And an incredible baserunner. If he somehow gets robbed of the MVP again it will be a joke. No offense to Jose, who is one of the top 15 players in MLB, but Trout is inner circle HOF level, talking on pace to be one of the 15 best of all time, not just in MLB in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) No offense to Jose, who is one of the top 5 players in MLB fixed it for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Trout will win it this year because he's putting up his regular numbers and is on the 2nd best team on baseball. If we switched records with LA, Abreu would be the favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) And an incredible baserunner. If he somehow gets robbed of the MVP again it will be a joke. No offense to Jose, who is one of the top 15 players in MLB, but Trout is inner circle HOF level, talking on pace to be one of the 15 best of all time, not just in MLB in 2014. He only has 10 SB... .299, 24 HR, 76 RBI, .388 OBP, .582 SLG, .970 OPS (102 G) .299, 31 HR, 83 RBI, .348 OBP, .628 SLG, .976 OPS (93 G) People are acting like this is no contest.. Those numbers are very close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:57 PM) He only has 10 SB... .299, 24 HR, 76 RBI, .388 OBP, .582 SLG, .970 OPS (102 G) .299, 31 HR, 83 RBI, .348 OBP, .628 SLG, .976 OPS (93 G) People are acting like this is no contest.. Those numbers are very close. They are very close. Trout will win because of the teams they play for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:00 PM) They are very close. Trout will win because of the teams they play for. Which is stupid IMO... Jose is a rookie who has never playing in the MLB and is putting up better numbers then almost everyone in the league.. If you take Jose off this team, we are one of the 3 worst teams in the MLB, if you take Trout off of LAA, I still think they can grab a wildcard. I know its close but I hate how a lot of analysts and guys around the MLB think Trout already has it locked up with 2 months left and Jose putting up better numbers in his 1st year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I do expect some positive regression for Abreu, so the Davenport looks good. A meager finishing line of 310/380/645, 48 HR 2 3B 40 2B 136 RBI is all I expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:57 PM) He only has 10 SB... .299, 24 HR, 76 RBI, .388 OBP, .582 SLG, .970 OPS (102 G) .299, 31 HR, 83 RBI, .348 OBP, .628 SLG, .976 OPS (93 G) People are acting like this is no contest.. Those numbers are very close. Yea but he's still 5 runs better than Jose, those count: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF It's also positional adjustment LF/CF is harder than 1B, if you don't agree with the fWAR positional adjustments that's fine and the point is certainly debatable -- but Trout is a better hitter (barely, granted) than Jose and on the other facets of the game -- defense and baserunning, Trout smokes him. I def don't think MVP is a pure WAR wankfest but Jose would have to do something truely amazing like hit 400/500/750 during September with the Sox winning 24 of 29 to make the playoffs in order to leapfrog Trout, who simply is the better all around player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:07 PM) I do expect some positive regression for Abreu, so the Davenport looks good. A meager finishing line of 310/380/645, 48 HR 2 3B 40 2B 136 RBI is all I expect. If he finishes with an isoD of .70 I will be thrilled. It's kinda shocking how few non IBB walks he has. Still, minor quibble on an otherwise spotless first season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:08 PM) Yea but he's still 5 runs better than Jose, those count: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF It's also positional adjustment LF/CF is harder than 1B, if you don't agree with the fWAR positional adjustments that's fine and the point is certainly debatable -- but Trout is a better hitter (barely, granted) than Jose and on the other facets of the game -- defense and baserunning, Trout smokes him. I def don't think MVP is a pure WAR wankfest but Jose would have to do something truely amazing like hit 400/500/750 during September with the Sox winning 24 of 29 to make the playoffs in order to leapfrog Trout, who simply is the better all around player. He has also played 9 more games and hits at the top of the line up on a better team. Who is hitting Abreu in when he gets in?? Trout might be the all around better players but offensive stats say they are just as good.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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