ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 8, 2014 -> 09:42 AM) Any chance the Sox will try to get ahead of the arbitration opt-out this winter and try to re-negotiate a longer deal? I'd wait it out and offer a deal after he isn't coming off an MVP season, assuming he doesn't continue this production for 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 More at link http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2215272...ium=br_whitesox In a historic 2014 campaign, Cuban slugger Jose Abreu of the Chicago White Sox set yet another rookie record by going deep against 17 separate teams, per the Elias Sports Bureau (via GammonsDaily.com). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) More at link http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2215272...ium=br_whitesox The Sox played 20 different teams this year, which kind of goes to show you how consistently Abreu was going deep this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 8, 2014 -> 09:45 AM) No reason to do so. Nothing can happen until after his third year. Realistically, it probably won't be worth it for Abreu to even worry about it until after his forth year, unless he can put himself into the Miguel Cabrera/Mike Trout stratosphere of hitters. Here's the other thing: Might the shrewdest move be to eat up six years of Abreu and let him walk? At age 33? Let someone else buy his last one or two good years for the cost of five bad ones? Look, I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin'. Edited October 14, 2014 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 14, 2014 -> 09:46 AM) Here's the other thing: Might the shrewdest move be to eat up six years of Abreu and let him walk? At age 33? Let someone else buy his last one or two good years for the cost of five bad ones? Look, I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin'. That isn't a crazy theory. I think because of the Cuban seasons being much shorter, he shouldn't have nearly as much mileage as a guy like Cabrera did at 27, but in this age of baseball it is much harder to predict downfalls because there are less artificial means to forestall them, meanwhile the recent history of that also muddies the waters to get a clear read on when guys should be regressing due to age. I definitely see no reason at all to even think about a potential extension for at least one year, but realistically two makes the most sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan 56m56 minutes ago Jose Abreu tired, and homers dropped significantly, but he found a way to finish strong. Sun-Times | Voices http://bit.ly/1EU0LPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/abre...dominant-debut/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/abre...dominant-debut/ Great stuff For all the concerns about Abreu’s ability to get beat by good velocity, he turned out to be one of the best fastball hitters in the majors. Against pitches of 95 mph or better, Abreu hit .325, according to Baseballsavant.com. By pitch type linear weights at FanGraphs, among qualified hitters, Abreu had the best results against fastballs of anyone in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I worship Jose of course. This may seen petty and minor, but can he learn to dig throws better? He's pretty lousy at that IMO compared to Hosmer/Paulie types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 02:53 PM) I worship Jose of course. This may seen petty and minor, but can he learn to dig throws better? He's pretty lousy at that IMO compared to Hosmer/Paulie types. I would be surprised if he doesn't improve at this with time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) I would be surprised if he doesn't improve at this with time. All you had to do was see the in-season improvements he made this year to know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) I worship Jose of course. This may seen petty and minor, but can he learn to dig throws better? He's pretty lousy at that IMO compared to Hosmer/Paulie types. That's like the easiest aspect of defense TO improve. It just takes reps, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 09:18 PM) All you had to do was see the in-season improvements he made this year to know that. I remember watching a game late in the season where he looked like I would trying to dig a throw out, that's why I asked. He seemed clueless on the way to field a short hop throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 with the good news, Jose A winning ROY, comes some uncertain news. in an article Abreu's performance could earn another big payday in 2017 mention that Jose A has an out clause. http://www.prosportsdaily.com/mlb/mlb-rumors.html I thought that to be the case. if I was with the sox management, buy out that clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 23, 2014 -> 10:12 AM) with the good news, Jose A winning ROY, comes some uncertain news. in an article Abreu's performance could earn another big payday in 2017 mention that Jose A has an out clause. http://www.prosportsdaily.com/mlb/mlb-rumors.html I thought that to be the case. if I was with the sox management, buy out that clause. Jose's out clause is different from some in that it does not allow him to become a free agent. To qualify as a free agent you need 6 years of MLB service time. If Jose opts out after 3 years he would not have enough service time to qualify as a free agent. Therefore, the White Sox could hold onto him simply by offering him arbitration. If this happened repeatedly and the Sox went to arbitration with him, it'd probably be worth an additional $20-$30 million for him over the lifetime of the contract if he continued performing at this level, but doing that opt out would also carry risks in that he'd switch from $36 million guaranteed remaining on the contract to being on 1 year deals. If he hits like this he'll do that, but it's not by any means an easy decision. That is not made clear in that article and the only place it's implied is in Hahn's quote. The White Sox control Jose Abreu through the end of the 2019 season. That's what you need to focus on right now, the exact math isn't all that important from this point in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 23, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) Jose's out clause is different from some in that it does not allow him to become a free agent. To qualify as a free agent you need 6 years of MLB service time. If Jose opts out after 3 years he would not have enough service time to qualify as a free agent. Therefore, the White Sox could hold onto him simply by offering him arbitration. If this happened repeatedly and the Sox went to arbitration with him, it'd probably be worth an additional $20-$30 million for him over the lifetime of the contract if he continued performing at this level, but doing that opt out would also carry risks in that he'd switch from $36 million guaranteed remaining on the contract to being on 1 year deals. If he hits like this he'll do that, but it's not by any means an easy decision. That is not made clear in that article and the only place it's implied is in Hahn's quote. The White Sox control Jose Abreu through the end of the 2019 season. That's what you need to focus on right now, the exact math isn't all that important from this point in 2014. It terms of arbitration, it won't be until years 5 and 6 that some pretty big numbers can be hit. Year 4 might not be worth opting out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 23, 2014 -> 10:22 AM) It terms of arbitration, it won't be until years 5 and 6 that some pretty big numbers can be hit. Year 4 might not be worth opting out of. Can he opt out after every year or is it only one time? I don't know the exact setup so I tried to focus on the "He will not be a free agent if he opts out" part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 23, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) Jose's out clause is different from some in that it does not allow him to become a free agent. To qualify as a free agent you need 6 years of MLB service time. If Jose opts out after 3 years he would not have enough service time to qualify as a free agent. Therefore, the White Sox could hold onto him simply by offering him arbitration. If this happened repeatedly and the Sox went to arbitration with him, it'd probably be worth an additional $20-$30 million for him over the lifetime of the contract if he continued performing at this level, but doing that opt out would also carry risks in that he'd switch from $36 million guaranteed remaining on the contract to being on 1 year deals. If he hits like this he'll do that, but it's not by any means an easy decision. That is not made clear in that article and the only place it's implied is in Hahn's quote. The White Sox control Jose Abreu through the end of the 2019 season. That's what you need to focus on right now, the exact math isn't all that important from this point in 2014. dang it.... I read the same article and for the life on me, I couldn't come up with all you said. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 23, 2014 -> 09:23 AM) Can he opt out after every year or is it only one time? I don't know the exact setup so I tried to focus on the "He will not be a free agent if he opts out" part. I have to think that once you opt out, the old contract is void, and you get whatever agreement you come to after that. But my point is that if the potential reward is only a million or two dollars for the first year, is that worth it? The biggest contracts ever gotten for a 4th year seem to be Trout at a touch over $15 million and Howard at $15 million. Looking at what they did to get those numbers, I think Abreu is probably going to be a notch under them for sure. Now once you get to 5th year, those number move up towards $20 million with Trout at $19.25 and Howard at 19. Abreu's 4th years is $10.5 million, his 5th is $11.5. Other than those guys, I am having a hard time finding good comps for a potential Abreu arbitration hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Player's Choice winner... http://m.mlb.com/video/v36892253/abreu-on-...ng-rookie-award Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 big surprise- Abreu named finalist for AL ROY award along with Shoemaker and Betances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 05:18 PM) big surprise- Abreu named finalist for AL ROY award along with Shoemaker and Betances Over/under on percent of vote: 99.9999% Abreu I am taking the over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 05:21 PM) Over/under on percent of vote: 99.9999% Abreu I am taking the over. Betances will get a 1st place vote from some NY doucher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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