chitownsportsfan Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 4, 2014 -> 10:03 PM) Sans the Trout granny, Sale has a 1.74 ERA this year.....Yes I'm cherry pickin again....Cherries are delicious. And hey the ice cream ain't bad as well: 8-1, 87.1IP, 96K, 16BB, 2.16ERA, .86WHIP Pitching half his games in an very good hitters' park. Dude's special. We should all enjoy him and and Jose for the next half decade or so. Edited July 5, 2014 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 4, 2014 -> 07:03 PM) Sans the Trout granny, Sale has a 1.74 ERA this year.....Yes I'm cherry pickin again....Cherries are delicious. If Robin had replaced Viciedo in LF for the 9th DeAza catches the ball Tank missed and Sale gets the shut out. That 1 run kept him from taking the AL lead in ERA which he now qualifies for and WHIP. He is 2nd in both now I believe. Edited July 5, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 Dan Hayes @DanHayesCSN 2m Chris Sale on if he was frustrated losing shutout: "W/ all the cacophony going on in ballpark, emotions get best of you sometimes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I'm extremely biased but Sale and Abreu are two of like the 5 most must see players in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 12:07 AM) I'm extremely biased but Sale and Abreu are two of like the 5 most must see players in baseball. One is a Top 5 pitcher with filthy stuff and the other has home runs that look like they'd be weak singles from anyone else. You're not wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 02:47 AM) If Robin had replaced Viciedo in LF for the 9th DeAza catches the ball Tank missed and Sale gets the shut out. That 1 run kept him from taking the AL lead in ERA which he now qualifies for and WHIP. He is 2nd in both now I believe. imho, just trying to make DV look good for trade value...... which failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 12:58 AM) imho, just trying to make DV look good for trade value...... which failed. Any trade value he has is for his bat not glove. He was already 4 for 4 ,and had gunned down Ackley trying to stretch a single into a double. It's not like the Mariners don't know Viciedo has been taken out of games in late innings for better defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Ken Rosenthal released his picks for the all-star game, if he were to pick every player, starters and reserves. Not only did he leave Alexei off his list, which I didn't get too upset about because Alexei is a borderline guy, IMO, but he left Chris Sale off his list too. One of the guys he DID include was Garrett Richards instead. I argued that this was asinine, and there is no reason the AL would be better served to win the game with Garrett Richards pitching versus Chris Sale. Rosenthal's only reason was because Sale had a DL stint this year. He is only 8 innings short of qualifying for the leaderboards right now, in which his AL ranks would put him 1st in WHIP, 1st in oppAVG, 3rd in ERA, 4th in LD%, 5th in K/BB, 7th in K/9, 8th in BB/9, and top 10 in various other parameters. And yet he doesn't get recognized as one of the top 9 pitchers in the AL this year. But thank god Derek Jeter gets a roster spot. Alexei is not a borderline guy by any measure. The Sox lead the AL in SS OPS. Alexei has been amazing this year. You can better cases for leaving Sale and even Abreu out before Alexei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 09:26 AM) Any trade value he has is for his bat not glove. He was already 4 for 4 ,and had gunned down Ackley trying to stretch a single into a double. It's not like the Mariners don't know Viciedo has been taken out of games in late innings for better defense. good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 02:22 AM) One is a Top 5 pitcher with filthy stuff and the other has home runs that look like they'd be weak singles from anyone else. You're not wrong. I was a tad intoxicated when I made that post but it's 100 percent accurate. Edited July 5, 2014 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 ESPN has Sale, Ramirez, and Petricka making the all-star team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBaum21 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) ESPN has Sale, Ramirez, and Petricka making the all-star team... Just curious, where did you see that? Saw a page with ESPN experts picking their respective teams and Petricka wasn't found on any of them. Glad to see they all had Sale in, as he deserves it despite that DL stint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) ESPN has Sale, Ramirez, and Petricka making the all-star team... When I was looking at WAR(apparently the crappy kind) today I was dumbfounded to see Jake has the 25th highest of any pitcher. Most of any reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 01:20 PM) When I was looking at WAR(apparently the crappy kind) today I was dumbfounded to see Jake has the 25th highest of any pitcher. Most of any reliever. SELL HIGH!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 01:20 PM) When I was looking at WAR(apparently the crappy kind) today I was dumbfounded to see Jake has the 25th highest of any pitcher. Most of any reliever. That is both hysterical and awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 QUOTE (BBaum21 @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 12:11 PM) Just curious, where did you see that? Saw a page with ESPN experts picking their respective teams and Petricka wasn't found on any of them. Glad to see they all had Sale in, as he deserves it despite that DL stint. http://espn.go.com/mlb/playerratings/_/typ...starprojections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 08:57 PM) http://espn.go.com/mlb/playerratings/_/typ...starprojections All I know is Sale, Abreu, and Alexei deserve to be there, probably in that order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) That is both hysterical and awesome. ESPN's WAR is notoriously flawed. Fangraphs is much better and Petrick has a 0.4 WAR according to it. He has been solid this year, but his peripherals are not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 10:17 PM) ESPN's WAR is notoriously flawed. Fangraphs is much better and Petrick has a 0.4 WAR according to it. He has been solid this year, but his peripherals are not great. don't they just use B-R's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 10:20 PM) don't they just use B-R's? No. Fangraph has its own WAR. (People usually called fWAR around the internet). Fangraphs does use B-R's war, they just call it rWAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I'm not sure what world Abreu and Sale aren't both at the ASG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 10:18 PM) No. Fangraph has its own WAR. (People usually called fWAR around the internet). Fangraphs does use B-R's war, they just call it rWAR. So fWAR is more accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 12:08 AM) So fWAR is more accurate? I think so. http://www.fangraphs.com/library/war/differences-fwar-rwar/ I know, its Fangraphs so of course they think theirs is better, but they make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 10:18 PM) No. Fangraph has its own WAR. (People usually called fWAR around the internet). Fangraphs does use B-R's war, they just call it rWAR. He meant ESPN. Yes, ESPN just uses B-R's war. fWAR ---> Fangraphs bWAR or rWAR ---> Baseball Reference ESPN had a 50/50 shot at finally getting something about baseball right, and they got it wrong. Edited July 6, 2014 by Chilihead90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 11:08 PM) So fWAR is more accurate? In a way, yes. bWAR tends to get a lot more outliers than fWAR, but they agree with each other on a player like 90% of the time anyway. Most almost everyone trusts fWAR more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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