This goes to show that we HAVE MONEY TO SPENT if we want to. $90 mil payroll is the floor, but I think JR will open up the checkbooks to go up to $100-$110 mil if he thinks signing Scherzer and a couple other piece (LF or 3B, and a bullpen arm) can turn this team around.

It makes sense to kick the tires and and even make a reasonable offer but no way Sox are paying him 180-200 or waiting until ST to sign this guy. I would prefer we dip into the second tier of starters.

I think part of contacting Scherzer is to see what he is asking for and trying to figure out how that number trickles down to the players who are their more realistic targets.

If everyone on here is stingy about giving huge contracts to pitchers its gonna be interesting when Sale is towards the end of his deal wanting ace money. Already took his security contract. With the sox not wanting to invest a lot of money on pitching, no way Sale is here in the long run. (Not advocating to trade Sale now or anything but there might be a time to actually consider it)

 

Edit: ace money in like 5 years will be around 30 mill easily. Even if he took lesser you're still playing more than 20 mill a year

 

Ace money IS now $30 million. Look at the Kershaw deal.

listen, let's just squash EVERYONE'S dreams. we're not get Scherzer.

 

if we're didn't give Chris Sale a max deal, there's NO WAY in hell Hahn & Co. will pony up the ~$25M Scherzer will be asking.

Ace money IS now $30 million. Look at the Kershaw deal.

No one else is in the same league as Kershaw though. Max certainly isn't. Neither is Lester.

Contacting and having serious interest in a guy are two different things. It doesn't hurt to see what is up, but I doubt the White Sox are going to be serious contenders for Scherzer. I do think the payroll, if their targets can be acquired, will be much higher than many think.

listen, let's just squash EVERYONE'S dreams. we're not get Scherzer.

 

if we're didn't give Chris Sale a max deal, there's NO WAY in hell Hahn & Co. will pony up the ~$25M Scherzer will be asking.

 

It doesn't sound like it is "EVERYONE'S" dream to get Scherzer, far from it actually.

 

Addressing the Chris Sale contract, I am not saying we are acquiring Scherzer, but Chris checked his ego at the door when he signed that deal. To take it a step further, he conceivable signed that deal with the hopes that we had enough payroll flexibility to sign another ace.

 

 

listen, let's just squash EVERYONE'S dreams. we're not get Scherzer.

 

if we're didn't give Chris Sale a max deal, there's NO WAY in hell Hahn & Co. will pony up the ~$25M Scherzer will be asking.

 

Sale's and Scherzer's situations are not comparable. Scherzer is a free agent, Sale still had 4 years of team control left when he signed. The idea behind Sale's contract is to pay him well more than you would have to in his pre arbitration and 1st year arbitration years to save money in his later years.

I'm telling you, we have more payroll and adding a REALLY good RHP to the rotation immediately makes us contenders IMO.

 

Other threads say the White Sox have ~$15M or so to spend to get into the low $90M range.

 

Not sure how much of that ~$15M is for free agents or players making minimum salaries to fill out the roster, but it seems, if that number is right, that the Sox can maybe add another 1 or 2 role player type(s), but they would be up against that 90M fairly quickly.

 

Unless the Sox are looking to spend $110M or so, it's hard to see them competing for any premier free agents.

Sale's and Scherzer's situations are not comparable. Scherzer is a free agent, Sale still had 4 years of team control left when he signed. The idea behind Sale's contract is to pay him well more than you would have to in his pre arbitration and 1st year arbitration years to save money in his later years.

 

This is perfect. He gives himself security too incase he has a serious injury and doesn't came back the same.

No one else is in the same league as Kershaw though. Max certainly isn't. Neither is Lester.

 

but that won't stop Max agent to max at starting at 30 mil per, i bet.

Other threads say the White Sox have ~$15M or so to spend to get into the low $90M range.

 

Not sure how much of that ~$15M is for free agents or players making minimum salaries to fill out the roster, but it seems, if that number is right, that the Sox can maybe add another 1 or 2 role player type(s), but they would be up against that 90M fairly quickly.

 

Unless the Sox are looking to spend $110M or so, it's hard to see them competing for any premier free agents.

 

Rock has stated within the past few days that he thinks the SOX have room to go up to $105M-$110M.

I think I'd rather give Scherzer the kind of megadeal he's expected to get than the deals the next tier of guys are likely to get. I'd also prefer that to trading anything valuable for Samardzija and then giving him a big contract.

Other threads say the White Sox have ~$15M or so to spend to get into the low $90M range.

 

Not sure how much of that ~$15M is for free agents or players making minimum salaries to fill out the roster, but it seems, if that number is right, that the Sox can maybe add another 1 or 2 role player type(s), but they would be up against that 90M fairly quickly.

 

Unless the Sox are looking to spend $110M or so, it's hard to see them competing for any premier free agents.

 

Using a best guess as to what the 25-man roster would look like on Opening Day if no further moves were made and estimates as to what the arb and pre-arb players would make, and also adding in the $5.5M owed to people no longer in the organization (Konerko, Keppinger), the payroll sits at $79.6 million.

 

For any player signed or acquired via trade, you would have to add their 2015 salary to that figure but then also subtract the salary of the player they replace. Depending on who gets replaced, adding a $15M player to the payroll brings it up to no more than $94 million, but potentially less if somebody like Viciedo, or even better, Danks, is moved in the deal.

Other threads say the White Sox have ~$15M or so to spend to get into the low $90M range.

 

Not sure how much of that ~$15M is for free agents or players making minimum salaries to fill out the roster, but it seems, if that number is right, that the Sox can maybe add another 1 or 2 role player type(s), but they would be up against that 90M fairly quickly.

 

Unless the Sox are looking to spend $110M or so, it's hard to see them competing for any premier free agents.

I could see them spending 100 mil

listen, let's just squash EVERYONE'S dreams. we're not get Scherzer.

 

if we're didn't give Chris Sale a max deal, there's NO WAY in hell Hahn & Co. will pony up the ~$25M Scherzer will be asking.

 

That's terribly flawed logic. Because the White Sox didn't give their biggest offer possible to Chris Sale before he signed an extension, they won't sign Scherzer?

Sale has literally 0 to do with this except for the fact that he's so affordable we can pay a ton for someone else.

That's terribly flawed logic. Because the White Sox didn't give their biggest offer possible to Chris Sale before he signed an extension, they won't sign Scherzer?

The logic is flawed. The conclusion is correct.

How much do you guys think we have to pay, in terms of prospects, if we want to ship John Danks off without eating significant amount of money?

The logic is flawed. The conclusion is correct.

 

I absolutely agree, there's no chance in hell he ends up in Chicago. But that's because the White Sox don't want to give out a contract that have proven like 99% of the time to be albatrosses.

 

 

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO.

How much do you guys think we have to pay, in terms of prospects, if we want to ship John Danks off without eating significant amount of money?

One of the top 5. Not Anderson or Rodon, though.

Dan Hayes

Don't think it pertains to names reported earlier, but #WhiteSox have $$ for a big deal if the fit is just right. http://t.co/OatnxnhDwJ

https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/540636934846963713

How much do you guys think we have to pay, in terms of prospects, if we want to ship John Danks off without eating significant amount of money?

 

I can't imagine a situation where it makes sense for the above to happen. The Sox have cash, are building for the future, and therefore wouldn't want to give away top prospects. This suggests trying to give up what they want to keep (prospects) in order to get something they already have (cash/salary relief).

 

The more likely scenarios for moving Danks are in a trade for someone similarly attached to a lot of salary (bad contract) or where the Sox eat a portion of the salary to get someone they want.