RMooneyTBO ‏@RMooneyTBO 20m20 minutes ago

 

#rays Cobb said he has a full tear of UCL. Will have surgery Thursday by Dr. Andrews. Eyeing Sept. 2016 return

 

 

 

so stupid. the injury happened in March and the Rays f***ed around and now he's basically out for two seasons.

 

Now Smyly is back on the DL. Luckily the pitching depth is holding up but for how long?

so stupid. the injury happened in March and the Rays f***ed around and now he's basically out for two seasons.

 

Now Smyly is back on the DL. Luckily the pitching depth is holding up but for how long?

 

Sounds like Smyly maybe done for the year as well. Is Nardi Contreras their pitching coach?

Sounds like Smyly maybe done for the year as well. Is Nardi Contreras their pitching coach?

 

 

for an organization that micromanages everything, its pretty scary when atleast 4 pithcers in the last two seasons have gone down to season ending injuries. Time to reassess the way they do things?

While everyone rips the White Sox and KW specifically for the offseason acquisitions that haven't worked yet that have his fingerprints all over them, check out the numbers on a couple of players on the Soxtalk offseason wish list, Jay Bruce and CarGo..

We should have signed Ubaldo Jimenez...

We should have signed Ubaldo Jimenez...

Coo will fix Noesi. No use trying to field a competitve team anyway. Duffy and Finnegan.

Semien hit two homers today. .307/.353/.488. Gave up 6 years of control of him + 3 interesting pieces for 1 year of Samardzija and a possibly interesting reliever. Sigh.

 

EDIT: And two homers off King Felix at that.

Edited May 11, 201510 yr by Feeky Magee

Semien hit two homers today. .307/.353/.488. Gave up 6 years of control of him + 3 interesting pieces for 1 year of Samardzija and a possibly interesting reliever. Sigh.

 

EDIT: And two homers off King Felix at that.

 

Brian Anderson had two homers off King Felix too. That was cool

While everyone rips the White Sox and KW specifically for the offseason acquisitions that haven't worked yet that have his fingerprints all over them, check out the numbers on a couple of players on the Soxtalk offseason wish list, Jay Bruce and CarGo..

my main wish was Edinson Vólquez sp - kc

Semien hit two homers today. .307/.353/.488. Gave up 6 years of control of him + 3 interesting pieces for 1 year of Samardzija and a possibly interesting reliever. Sigh.

 

EDIT: And two homers off King Felix at that.

He's also on pace to make 46 errors at SS.

He's also on pace to make 46 errors at SS.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/pos...ARBR/order/true

 

According to WAR, his offense is more than compensating as he's leading all AL shortstops...and among all qualified MLB shortstops, 5th (1.0) out of 21 players.

 

Alexei Ramirez is 15th.

 

Samardzija, fwiw, 0.8, tied for 22nd in the AL with Hector Santiago among pitchers.

Edited May 11, 201510 yr by caulfield12

He's also on pace to make 46 errors at SS.

Firstly we wouldn't be playing him at short, we'd be playing him at second where he's probably above average. Secondly errors are not a great way to judge a defender, he's not been great at SS, but he's held his own, with his offence being more than enough to compensate. It was a bad trade.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/pos...ARBR/order/true

 

According to WAR, his offense is more than compensating as he's leading all AL shortstops...and among all qualified MLB shortstops, 5th (1.0) out of 21 players.

 

Alexei Ramirez is 15th.

 

Samardzija, fwiw, 0.8, tied for 22nd in the AL with Hector Santiago among pitchers.

Take those WAR numbers on May 8th. That is how they will finish up.

 

Semien looks like he will be able to hit, but he is an awful defender. Awful.

Firstly we wouldn't be playing him at short, we'd be playing him at second where he's probably above average. Secondly errors are not a great way to judge a defender, he's not been great at SS, but he's held his own, with his offence being more than enough to compensate. It was a bad trade.

9 errors in 32 games is holding your own. LMAO.

 

I wasn't huge on trading for Samardjiza, but judging a trade 28 games in can make you look foolish later.

 

Funny you failed to mention his .354 BABIP.

Edited May 11, 201510 yr by Dick Allen

Take those WAR numbers on May 8th. That is how they will finish up.

 

Semien looks like he will be able to hit, but he is an awful defender. Awful.

 

So is Conor, so is Avisail...our catchers, Abreu...Alexei is slowing down, too, a 1/2 step a year.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/po...true/order/true

 

According to DWAR, Ramirez and Semien are on par, about neutral or 0.00.

The list of the Top Ten defenders isn't much of a surprise.

 

The fact that the White Sox constantly moved Semien around from 3B to SS to 2B...maybe it's another surprise that playing the most difficult position on the field without having been allowed to play there by the White Sox (at the MLB level) should consequently lead to some initial struggles.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/po...true/order/true

Micah Johnson is far and away the worst 2B among all qualified...it's not even close, -0.8.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/po...true/order/true

Adam Eaton is 25th, with only Wil Myers (who doesn't belong in CF but has to play there) behind him. Eaton is at -0.6. And Avisail is in negative territory but not quite so bad, 17th out of 26. Tyler Flowers is 20th/23.

 

Basically, our entire defense sucks right now.

 

 

In your idea, Jose Valentin was probably much worse than Royce Clayton as well if you went by simply errors and not range, UZR, total chances, all the outs he recorded with his arm that ended up as infield singles with Royce, etc.

Edited May 11, 201510 yr by caulfield12

Firstly we wouldn't be playing him at short, we'd be playing him at second where he's probably above average. Secondly errors are not a great way to judge a defender, he's not been great at SS, but he's held his own, with his offence being more than enough to compensate. It was a bad trade.

 

If the Sox don't make the playoffs this year or if Jeff S. doesn't give them a long-term hometown discount, then I'd agree. Time will tell.

So is Conor, so is Avisail...our catchers, Abreu...Alexei is slowing down, too, a 1/2 step a year.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/po...true/order/true

 

According to DWAR, Ramirez and Semien are on par, about neutral or 0.00.

The list of the Top Ten defenders isn't much of a surprise.

 

The fact that the White Sox constantly moved Semien around from 3B to SS to 2B...maybe it's another surprise that playing the most difficult position on the field without having been allowed to play there by the White Sox (at the MLB level) should consequently lead to some initial struggles.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/po...true/order/true

Micah Johnson is far and away the worst 2B among all qualified...it's not even close, -0.8.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/po...true/order/true

Adam Eaton is 25th, with only Wil Myers (who doesn't belong in CF but has to play there) behind him. Eaton is at -0.6. And Avisail is in negative territory but not quite so bad, 17th out of 26. Tyler Flowers is 20th/23.

 

Basically, our entire defense sucks right now.

 

 

In your idea, Jose Valentin was probably much worse than Royce Clayton as well if you went by simply errors and not range, UZR, total chances, all the outs he recorded with his arm that ended up as infield singles with Royce, etc.

 

Advanced defensive numbers through 28 games is gospel to you as long as they show the White Sox suck and everyone else is great. I know the White Sox have bad defensive players, so does everyone else. I also know that Marcus Semien is an awful defensive player. Now that he is an ex-White Sox, you can't bring it on yourself to admit it. If he still was with the team, you would mention it daily. Go Royals, Cubs, Astros, and just about anyone else not the White Sox.

Advanced defensive numbers through 28 games is gospel to you as long as they show the White Sox suck and everyone else is great. I know the White Sox have bad defensive players, so does everyone else. I also know that Marcus Semien is an awful defensive player. Now that he is an ex-White Sox, you can't bring it on yourself to admit it. If he still was with the team, you would mention it daily. Go Royals, Cubs, Astros, and just about anyone else not the White Sox.

 

 

How many games have you actually watched Semien play?

 

Have you seen each one of his errors?

 

How many games have you watched the White Sox play?

 

Do you disagree with the statistics, then?

 

Actually, DWAR has Abreu higher than LaRoche (although Adam doesn't have a big sample size), Conor as doing okay (maybe that's gone to negative since the weekend)....Melky Cabrera in the 2nd half of LFer's but close to the middle.

 

Other than Beckham, which White Sox defenders have been AVERAGE or ABOVE AVERAGE from the good 'ol eye test?

 

It's not a surprise you disagree with dWAR because it's inherently biased in favor of Lorenzo Cain, Jarrod Dyson, Alex Gordon, etc. Just because!

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/po...ARBR/order/true

Not surprisingly, Gordon is 0.2 dWAR. Because he's playing the position well and the numbers reflect that, albeit limited sample size again...

How many games have you actually watched Semien play?

 

Have you seen each one of his errors?

 

How many games have you watched the White Sox play?

 

Do you disagree with the statistics, then?

 

Actually, DWAR has Abreu higher than LaRoche (although Adam doesn't have a big sample size), Conor as doing okay (maybe that's gone to negative since the weekend)....Melky Cabrera in the 2nd half of LFer's but close to the middle.

 

Other than Beckham, which White Sox defenders have been AVERAGE or ABOVE AVERAGE from the good 'ol eye test?

 

It's not a surprise you disagree with dWAR because it's inherently biased in favor of Lorenzo Cain, Jarrod Dyson, Alex Gordon, etc. Just because!

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/po...ARBR/order/true

Not surprisingly, Gordon is 0.2 dWAR. Because he's playing the position well and the numbers reflect that, albeit limited sample size again...

Go Royals. I think almost everyone would take dWAR numbers with a grain of salt through 28 games.

Then you're qualified to say Marcus Semien is terrible defensively after just 28 games in the MAJOR LEAGUES at a position the White Sox wouldn't let him play because of the presence of Alexei Ramirez, who the metrics say has provided the same exact level of defensive value?

 

Okay..."fun with numbers," especially when you've never even actually watched him play SS this season.

Adam Darowski @baseballtwit

Bartolo Colon has faced 11,957 batters.

29 were heavier than him.

All 29 were Dmitri Young.

 

Jason Coskrey ‏@JCoskrey 57m57 minutes ago

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Then you're qualified to say Marcus Semien is terrible defensively after just 28 games in the MAJOR LEAGUES at a position the White Sox wouldn't let him play because of the presence of Alexei Ramirez, who the metrics say has provided the same exact level of defensive value?

 

Okay..."fun with numbers," especially when you've never even actually watched him play SS this season.

Actually I have seen him play SS, and I have seen him play 2b and 3b with the White Sox. I am qualified to say he is bad at SS just like, even though he never played 1 game there professionally, I am qualified to say Frank Thomas would be terrible at SS.

 

There is absolutely no way you would be defending a guy who is on a 46 error pace if he were a White Sox. But you still turn it to anti White Sox with the it's their fault he is no good there.

 

I really don't understand why a guy who hates the White Sox so much wastes so much time on this board and paying attention to their games.

 

And you do hate them. Any positive mentioned you have a rebuttal.

Jason Coskrey ‏@JCoskrey 57m57 minutes ago

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Amazing he still has the forearm strength for that "bat wrap" style at his age, with the heaviest bats possible.

 

Watching any White Sox hitters trying to emulate his style...especially against FB-dominant pitchers...priceless.

Have you guys always had an on-going feud?