And the end result is going to be...we paid $9 million for him this season, the A's paid $1.5 million, the A's will have those guys for 4-5 more years, and we will keep seeing comments here about how the White Sox minor leagues has no depth while wondering how that could possibly have happened.

 

The White Sox have called up several players this year from their minors and just by having them be non-terrible, they've helped this team to winning streaks (Tyler, Trayce). Depth can be nice too. Counting the draft picks...we gave up 6 players from our minor leagues for the privilege of the 2015 season and we'll be lucky to get 1 back next summer.

when the trade happen, the state of the system was not where the org could afford to loose any prospects, for an incredible idea of making the playoff. granted the prospects are some yrs away. look at the feeble attempt to rush MJ to play 2nd base at the beginning of the season.

 

in order to see how ready the system is, what is the state of the pitching rotation. even before Rodon was again rush / forced into the starting rotation.

 

next season, the sox loose shark and are they going to depend on an unproven Fulmer or take a chance and resort to EJ into the rotation.

 

the system is still a few yrs away, but for immediate help, the org will need to look else where.

Give Peavy credit. He has pitched bigger games than Shark. Also, notice this game was not particularly big. It just stings a little more because of the opponent.

 

People still buy into the Peavy talk and are blind to the performance. BTW Peavy's post season is far from stellar. I don't remember him showing up for those games for the Sox in August.

 

Come on, guys... you can hate on Samardzija, but it really wasn't a bad trade. We'll see how Ravelo does, but as for the others... there was no place for Bassitt on this team, Phegley is a backup, and Semien has been the worst defensive player in baseball.

I dislike when people say things like this because it was a horrible trade. Sox gave up way too much. Now if the Sox would have traded Shark well before the deadline and got 2-3 pieces back, it would have been great. As of now, Sox got a one-year player who has been lousy on a lousy team.

And the end result is going to be...we paid $9 million for him this season, the A's paid $1.5 million, the A's will have those guys for 4-5 more years, and we will keep seeing comments here about how the White Sox minor leagues has no depth while wondering how that could possibly have happened.

 

The White Sox have called up several players this year from their minors and just by having them be non-terrible, they've helped this team to winning streaks (Tyler, Trayce). Depth can be nice too. Counting the draft picks...we gave up 6 players from our minor leagues for the privilege of the 2015 season and we'll be lucky to get 1 back next summer.

 

You can add Sanchez/Micah to that list, although nobody would be surprised if those four (Trayce, Tyler), along with Avi, are basically replacement level players at best.

 

When all is said and done, we really need at least two of them to develop into 2-3 war players or we're just going to end up with castoffs/retreads since they're definitely going to be more hesitant about the free agency pool after being singed twice (not to mention the draft picks).

 

 

That means the focus is likely to be on 3b and upgrading the catcher's spot (since they also have to wait on Alexei/Anderson), assuming they're content to replace Shark with EJ.

Edited August 15, 201510 yr by caulfield12

You can add Sanchez/Micah to that list, although nobody would be surprised if those four (Trayce, Tyler), along with Avi, are basically replacement level players at best.

I would be surprised. At least 1 will be better than replacement. Probably 2.

But what's the alternative? Trade 4 of them for a proven Melky type? Another "elite" Samardzija? That's just clowning and has no chance of working. Lazy.

You need young talent.

Edited August 16, 201510 yr by GreenSox

People still buy into the Peavy talk and are blind to the performance. BTW Peavy's post season is far from stellar. I don't remember him showing up for those games for the Sox in August.

So what did I say that was wrong? When did Shark win a ring?

And the end result is going to be...we paid $9 million for him this season, the A's paid $1.5 million, the A's will have those guys for 4-5 more years, and we will keep seeing comments here about how the White Sox minor leagues has no depth while wondering how that could possibly have happened.

 

The White Sox have called up several players this year from their minors and just by having them be non-terrible, they've helped this team to winning streaks (Tyler, Trayce). Depth can be nice too. Counting the draft picks...we gave up 6 players from our minor leagues for the privilege of the 2015 season and we'll be lucky to get 1 back next summer.

How many guys that K-Hahn has traded away turned out to be any good these last 15 years?

I dislike when people say things like this because it was a horrible trade. Sox gave up way too much. Now if the Sox would have traded Shark well before the deadline and got 2-3 pieces back, it would have been great. As of now, Sox got a one-year player who has been lousy on a lousy team.

Wwere any of the offers better than losing the comp pick?

when the trade happen, the state of the system was not where the org could afford to loose any prospects, for an incredible idea of making the playoff. granted the prospects are some yrs away. look at the feeble attempt to rush MJ to play 2nd base at the beginning of the season.

 

in order to see how ready the system is, what is the state of the pitching rotation. even before Rodon was again rush / forced into the starting rotation.

 

next season, the sox loose shark and are they going to depend on an unproven Fulmer or take a chance and resort to EJ into the rotation.

 

the system is still a few yrs away, but for immediate help, the org will need to look else where.

Nohing in the Jeff S. trade screams " can't miss talent". Maybe when the cubs traded him away was there a guy like russel, but the sox didnt give up nealry as much as oakland. The rest of the moves were free agent deals. they only cost money.

at the time of the trade deadline he wasn't really doing that great and I'm guessing we weren't getting offered enough.

exactly

Why should anyone expect Shark to now be interested in signing a long-term deal with the White Sox before entering free agency?

I suspect he'll still enter free agency, but may be more apt to sign a deal with teh sox after kicking the tires on other clubs.

There is one more possibility I have yet to see considered. Since it would be bad for the White Sox, you could even count this as a prediction, because it would fit with everything else that has happened with this trade.

 

The White Sox offer Samardzija a Qualifying Offer and he turns it down under the logic expressed in this thread. Teams with pitching needs and money snatch up Price, Cueto, and other guys who don't have draft pick compensation attached to them, teams with pitching needs but less money look elsewhere to guys who weren't good enough to be offered a QO.

 

Samardzija sits there unsigned in January. A couple teams call but nothing serious. Teams have spent their money. No team goes crazy like the Padres did this year in trying to sign big names.

 

Training camp starts, Samardzija is unsigned, teams have filled out their rosters. The White Sox toss him a small offer just in case he wants to accept it. Maybe he does and we blow another year of EJ's career blocked, maybe he doesn't. If he doesn't, he sits there unsigned through training camp.

 

No major injuries happen that force anyone to call. On IIRC June 1, draft pick compensation expires for guys who were offered QOs but remained unsigned. Teams now consider Jeff Samardzija a possible trade deadline addition and he remains unsigned until after June 1 when he finally gets a small deal to finish out the year.

 

The draft pick compensation that people have been telling me would be so great for the last 9 months...never appears. Rick Hahn's failure is complete.

He wont sit on the market that long.

There is one more possibility I have yet to see considered. Since it would be bad for the White Sox, you could even count this as a prediction, because it would fit with everything else that has happened with this trade.

 

The White Sox offer Samardzija a Qualifying Offer and he turns it down under the logic expressed in this thread. Teams with pitching needs and money snatch up Price, Cueto, and other guys who don't have draft pick compensation attached to them, teams with pitching needs but less money look elsewhere to guys who weren't good enough to be offered a QO.

 

Samardzija sits there unsigned in January. A couple teams call but nothing serious. Teams have spent their money. No team goes crazy like the Padres did this year in trying to sign big names.

 

Training camp starts, Samardzija is unsigned, teams have filled out their rosters. The White Sox toss him a small offer just in case he wants to accept it. Maybe he does and we blow another year of EJ's career blocked, maybe he doesn't. If he doesn't, he sits there unsigned through training camp.

 

No major injuries happen that force anyone to call. On IIRC June 1, draft pick compensation expires for guys who were offered QOs but remained unsigned. Teams now consider Jeff Samardzija a possible trade deadline addition and he remains unsigned until after June 1 when he finally gets a small deal to finish out the year.

 

The draft pick compensation that people have been telling me would be so great for the last 9 months...never appears. Rick Hahn's failure is complete.

 

:eeyore

 

He wont sit on the market that long.

 

With the trend of young pitchers exploding onto the scene and contributing right away, teams could be less inclined to throw away a first round pick and $100 mil at a pitcher with a career ERA of over 4.00

He wont sit on the market that long.

 

Unless he takes a really low deal I imagine he might be there pretty long. The market for starting pitching this offseason is going to be flooded and alot of better pitchers then shark. Look how long it took the best pitchers to sign this past offseason. Shark is far from them after this crappy year sofar

at the time of the trade deadline he wasn't really doing that great and I'm guessing we weren't getting offered enough.

 

 

exactly

 

He had a 2.27 ERA in July.

Unless he takes a really low deal I imagine he might be there pretty long. The market for starting pitching this offseason is going to be flooded and alot of better pitchers then shark. Look how long it took the best pitchers to sign this past offseason. Shark is far from them after this crappy year sofar

 

It'll be an NL team is someone signs him fast. But could also see him in the same situation as Kyle Lohse a few years ago. Nobody signs him because they don't want to lose the pick.

Edited August 16, 201510 yr by Brian

With the trend of young pitchers exploding onto the scene and contributing right away, teams could be less inclined to throw away a first round pick and $100 mil at a pitcher with a career ERA of over 4.00

James shields still got a deal before opening day. I suspect Jeff s will do just fine

James shields still got a deal before opening day. I suspect Jeff s will do just fine

 

Except Shields had a 3.20 ERA last season and a much better track record than Shark. He was also the 2nd3/rd best pitcher in the class. 2016 is loaded with free agent pitchers.

Except Shields had a 3.20 ERA last season and a much better track record than Shark. He was also the 2nd3/rd best pitcher in the class. 2016 is loaded with free agent pitchers.

 

 

Shields is also older than Shark is.

Making a QO to Shark is a win-win for the Sox. If he rejects, the Sox get a comp pick. If he accepts, they get him back but are only committed to him for one more year.

Making a QO to Shark is a win-win for the Sox. If he rejects, the Sox get a comp pick. If he accepts, they get him back but are only committed to him for one more year.

 

and the sox would reap the value of shark recouping his value thru the positive stats.

 

Making a QO to Shark is a win-win for the Sox. If he rejects, the Sox get a comp pick. If he accepts, they get him back but are only committed to him for one more year.

While I agree with you, the Devil's Advocate reply is....are you ready to give Samardzija a ~$7 million raise from this year?

While I agree with you, the Devil's Advocate reply is....are you ready to give Samardzija a ~$7 million raise from this year?

 

For a one-year deal? yes. It's obviously worth it to try and get comp pick.

For a one-year deal? yes. It's obviously worth it to try and get comp pick.

 

Yeah, baseball has placed a premium on one year deals, especially with a comp pick tied to them.