Dunt Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 12:32 PM) Cespedes just had a career year, I'd rather not pay the price tag that comes along with it. Heyward will definitely be worth his contract, defense in general is still very underrated. Preventing a run is the same as generating one. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 12:32 PM) Cespedes just had a career year, I'd rather not pay the price tag that comes along with it. Heyward will definitely be worth his contract, defense in general is still very underrated. Preventing a run is the same as generating one. Agree. I prefer Cespedes to Upton, but I really don't want either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 12:32 PM) Cespedes just had a career year, I'd rather not pay the price tag that comes along with it. Heyward will definitely be worth his contract, defense in general is still very underrated. Preventing a run is the same as generating one. Hate to say it but preventing a run is not as same as generating one. Saladino had 12 defensive runs saved at 3rd which is like tops in baseball at 3rd base. Sanchez had 6 defensive runs saved at 2nd. Unfortunately both helped the Sox have the worst offense in baseball at those position this year. If Heywards defense regresses then you don't have much of a player if his offense doesn't pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) Hate to say it but preventing a run is not as same as generating one. Saladino had 12 defensive runs saved at 3rd which is like tops in baseball at 3rd base. Sanchez had 6 defensive runs saved at 2nd. Unfortunately both helped the Sox have the worst offense in baseball at those position this year. If Heywards defense regresses then you don't have much of a player if his offense doesn't pick up. That's not really how it works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 12:43 PM) That's not really how it works... Saying that's not how it works vs actually explaining it isnt helping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 15m15 minutes ago From the not-a-surprise department: Multiple GMs say because of the price of free agents, they expect trade action in Nashville to be big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 15m15 minutes ago From the not-a-surprise department: Multiple GMs say because of the price of free agents, they expect trade action in Nashville to be big. Last year's was huge. I think there were more trades last year than like the 5 combined prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 11:44 AM) I think if we were to get him on an 8/9 year deal with opt-outs after year 4 or 5, his older years won't even matter because he likely won't be our problem. Ya know, I like this idea because the Sox can use the defensive upgrade and its very plausible. Good point with the opt-out clause. If the Sox were able to move some salary by means of trade Heyward becomes much more possible. If the Sox moved just one of Robertson/Danks/Melky and add that to the available funds which is roughly 15-20M, the Sox could be sitting around 30M+ to spend on '16 which easily covers the cost of Heyward's annual salary. There are two hangups in that one of Melky/LaRoche would have to be traded which wont be easy and the Sox lose a pick. Otherwise Heyward is a possibility. With the cost of starting pitching sky rocketing so far this off season and the Sox rumored to be looking for a starting right hander, I'm thinking Danks just might be tradable since he's a one year risk and if he pitches decent could bring a team a comp pick for '17 when Danks hits FA after next season. Maybe the Sox plan is Sale, Q, RHP, Rodon, EJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) Hate to say it but preventing a run is not as same as generating one. Saladino had 12 defensive runs saved at 3rd which is like tops in baseball at 3rd base. Sanchez had 6 defensive runs saved at 2nd. Unfortunately both helped the Sox have the worst offense in baseball at those position this year. If Heywards defense regresses then you don't have much of a player if his offense doesn't pick up. I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Saladino had a 61 wRC+ and Sanchez a 60 wRC+. That is horrible. Yet Saladino was worth 1.3 bWAR and Sanchez was worth 0.7 bWAR because of their defense. Heyward is a pretty good hitter, he has a 118 wRC+ for his career. That along with his elite defense makes him worth an elite contract. Saying that if his defense regresses he won't be good is like saying if Miguel Cabrera's offense regresses then he won't be much of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 02:48 PM) I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Saladino had a 61 wRC+ and Sanchez a 60 wRC+. That is horrible. Yet Saladino was worth 1.3 bWAR and Sanchez was worth 0.7 bWAR because of their defense. Heyward is a pretty good hitter, he has a 118 wRC+ for his career. That along with his elite defense makes him worth an elite contract. Saying that if his defense regresses he won't be good is like saying if Miguel Cabrera's offense regresses then he won't be much of a player. Except that his defense assuredly will regress with age. Plus, just my opinion that that's an over-weight on defensive value, esp. as the Sox are trying to build a groundball staff. Not that OF defense isn't important, but it's nothing that the Sox are really in a position to pay a premium for. They can get competence for far less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 03:08 PM) Except that his defense assuredly will regress with age. Plus, just my opinion that that's an over-weight on defensive value, esp. as the Sox are trying to build a groundball staff. Not that OF defense isn't important, but it's nothing that the Sox are really in a position to pay a premium for. They can get competence for far less. Implying that offense doesn't regress with age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 From Nashville: I still don't believe the White Sox will add any free agent that will cost them a draft pick. https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/673900680839565313 I've been wrong before, and I probably will be again at some time. But as of now, I feel confident on that one https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/673900812796563456 White Sox are targeting infield: 3B, SS even 2B. But their real target is simply making dynamic improvements to a poor '14 offense overall https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/673901294269132800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) From Nashville: I still don't believe the White Sox will add any free agent that will cost them a draft pick. https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/673900680839565313 I've been wrong before, and I probably will be again at some time. But as of now, I feel confident on that one https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/673900812796563456 White Sox are targeting infield: 3B, SS even 2B. But their real target is simply making dynamic improvements to a poor '14 offense overall https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/673901294269132800 Let's hope. I'd love to see a big splash, whether it's by trade or FA signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 He made it seem like Cespedes could be more likely due to no pick lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) From Nashville: I still don't believe the White Sox will add any free agent that will cost them a draft pick. https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/673900680839565313 I've been wrong before, and I probably will be again at some time. But as of now, I feel confident on that one https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/673900812796563456 White Sox are targeting infield: 3B, SS even 2B. But their real target is simply making dynamic improvements to a poor '14 offense overall https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/673901294269132800 The '15 offense was really bad too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 You think JR would prefer a late first-round pick, or $20million+ ?? I think I know the answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 10:37 AM) He made it seem like Cespedes could be more likely due to no pick lost Well they did try to get him at the deadline. With no pick attached and the outgoing personality could make him a big target for sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 10:36 AM) Let's hope. I'd love to see a big splash, whether it's by trade or FA signing. Dynamic means impact, right? It's one thing to find a "guys" to fill out the holes they have, claim that they improved upon these holes, and hope for internal improvement offensively that will complement the defense. It's a whole different approach to realize that the offense needs impact hitters in the middle of the order, probably 2 to make next year interesting. If they can do this without damaging their farm system, that would be a good act. Not sure if that will be possible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Welp...this has turned into a catch all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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