November 25, 201510 yr Jeff Fletcher @JeffFletcherOCR 51s51 seconds ago Confirmed Angels deal with Geovany Soto is $2.8 million. https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR Well crap
November 25, 201510 yr Author QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 06:42 PM) f***. I liked him, especially as a backup. We have the ultimate pitch framer though...we dont need him
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 07:42 PM) f***. I liked him, especially as a backup. Here is to hoping Flowers will be the backup now.
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (Knuckles @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) Here is to hoping Flowers will be the backup now. If we go for it, hopefully it's Derek Norris.
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 06:42 PM) f***. I liked him, especially as a backup. If the Sox are going to upgrade the catcher position I expect flowers to move to backup
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) We have the ultimate pitch framer though...we dont need him 2nd in baseball for getting balls called strikes.
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (Knuckles @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) Here is to hoping Flowers will be the backup now. Yep. I just don't know who the Sox could go after. Maybe Derek Norris, but I'm not exactly thrilled with him.
November 25, 201510 yr Author QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 06:47 PM) 2nd in baseball for getting balls called strikes. Good. He'll get a medal for that. As was pointed out in the middle of the season below average in offensive war and defense. Trailing......Soto!
November 25, 201510 yr I think Avila is a White Sox in 2016. I didn't mind Geo, although I do think that yips deal could explode. I watched him warm up pitchers in between innings when Flowers made the last out or was on base, and he didn't do that.
November 25, 201510 yr Author QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 07:08 PM) Feel like we should have matched that That's a pretty reasonable deal for what he brings to the table. What's Flowers going to make after arbitration?
November 25, 201510 yr Was hoping to keep him around, actually swung the bat well for the White Sox. Did the Angels overpay?
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 07:14 PM) That's a pretty reasonable deal for what he brings to the table. What's Flowers going to make after arbitration? I think mlbtr had him projected at around $4 mill
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 06:53 PM) I think Avila is a White Sox in 2016. I'm thinking the same thing and the Sox could use a left handed hitting catcher. Avila won't cost the Sox picks or prospects so why not? As for Geo, I really like the guy but I'm not surprised in the least that he moved on. The Sox didn't sound too interested in bringing him back anyway and like it or not, Flowers just ain't going anywhere.
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 08:25 PM) Flowers has a roster spot secure as long as Sale is on the team. He can be Sale's personal catcher but we cant have him as our starter again
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (spiderman @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 08:55 PM) Was hoping to keep him around, actually swung the bat well for the White Sox. Did the Angels overpay? Angels got rid of Ianetta, who cost a heck of a lot more that Sota. Seattle picked up Ianetta.
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (bulokis @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 08:43 PM) He can be Sale's personal catcher but we cant have him as our starter again That's exactly how I feel as well.
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 06:47 PM) 2nd in baseball for getting balls called strikes. What if the home plate umpire was just s***ty those games?
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 01:41 AM) What if the home plate umpire was just s***ty those games? That's probably it. But if the home plate umpire is going to be bad and call balls strikes more often when Flowers is catching, it's still a good thing for White Sox pitchers. It is amazing how far Flowers has fallen from the pedestal he was placed here in about 2011. AJ had to go. If Flowers hit nothing, he still was better than AJ. Now, anything positive attributed to Flowers is quickly shot down as unimportant. There are more than a few people on here that really can't mention pitch framing as a positive to any catcher they may like moving forward without looking foolish. I just don't understand how having more balls called strikes when you are catching can't be considered a really good thing. Edited November 25, 201510 yr by Dick Allen
November 25, 201510 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 07:35 AM) That's probably it. But if the home plate umpire is going to be bad and call balls strikes more often when Flowers is catching, it's still a good thing for White Sox pitchers. It is amazing how far Flowers has fallen from the pedestal he was placed here in about 2011. AJ had to go. If Flowers hit nothing, he still was better than AJ. Now, anything positive attributed to Flowers is quickly shot down as unimportant. There are more than a few people on here that really can't mention pitch framing as a positive to any catcher they may like moving forward without looking foolish. I just don't understand how having more balls called strikes when you are catching can't be considered a really good thing. I think it could just be coincidence with who is calling balls and strikes that day. Someone with time could probably do a whole lot of digging into it. Other than pitch framing though, he's not very good behind the plate. Always tries to back hand every pitch in the dirt that end up going to backstop when he should be getting down blocking them.
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