BlackSox13 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/ben-...60-million.html "Ben Zobrist‘s projected price tag “keeps going up,” tweets Yahoo’s Jeff Passan, who hears from clubs involved in his market that the demand for his services has the price sitting at four years and $60MM currently. That price could still rise, says Passan. That he says the current price tag is about $60MM over four years would indicate that no club has approached that level just yet, although given the sheer number volume of teams that Zobrist could help, it’s easy to see how competition could push his eventual contract beyond that level." So Sox fans. Anyone still interested in Zobrist? I say thanks but absolutely no thanks. Edited December 2, 2015 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Would I be happy with the Sox signing Ben Zobrist? Absolutely. Would I be happy with the Sox signing a 35 Ben Zobrist to a 4 year, $60+ million contract. Not a chance in hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I wouldn't be mad if the Sox went that far to get Zobrist, but I wouldn't be mad if they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'd be ok with Zobrist, good player at a position of need, no draft pick needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 35 year old Zobrist to a 4 year $60+mm deal? Nah I'm good. Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:48 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/ben-...60-million.html "Ben Zobrist‘s projected price tag “keeps going up,” tweets Yahoo’s Jeff Passan, who hears from clubs involved in his market that the demand for his services has the price sitting at four years and $60MM currently. That price could still rise, says Passan. That he says the current price tag is about $60MM over four years would indicate that no club has approached that level just yet, although given the sheer number volume of teams that Zobrist could help, it’s easy to see how competition could push his eventual contract beyond that level." So Sox fans. Anyone still interested in Zobrist? I say thanks but absolutely no thanks. I'll contrast him to Victor Martinez. I hated the idea of signing V-Mart at a very similar age and price last offseason. Zobrist is different in that he is not coming off a career year and he is not restricted to one (non-)position. He's the anti-Martinez. I have to wonder if the decline in his defensive numbers last year was real and age-based, or just a blip. But his bat has always been really good and I expect it to stay good. In a vacuum I'd be okay with 4/$60 for him, but the state of the Sox should have them avoiding old guys in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:52 AM) I'll contrast him to Victor Martinez. I hated the idea of signing V-Mart at a very similar age and price last offseason. Zobrist is different in that he is not coming off a career year and he is not restricted to one (non-)position. He's the anti-Martinez. I have to wonder if the decline in his defensive numbers last year was real and age-based, or just a blip. But his bat has always been really good and I expect it to stay good. In a vacuum I'd be okay with 4/$60 for him, but the state of the Sox should have them avoiding old guys in general. If the Sox were one or two players shy of contending then Zobrist would make sense but even then, signing a 35 year old to a 4 year deal worth 60M is still a bit steep for me. At some point Zobrist will start to decline and that's the point fans will regret the signing. That of course is based on a 4/60 contract. Less years would be more appealing given his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I like Zobrist. He makes a ton of sense for this team. But not at that price. It takes away all the upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Eh, there's still plenty of upside in that Zobrist deal. It's predicated on him being a useful (read: good) defender at multiple positions again, but my hunch is that he won't fall off a cliff as he hits his upper 40's like a lot of guys. His OBP has never been lower than .346 since becoming full-time. He just hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 09:52 AM) I'll contrast him to Victor Martinez. I hated the idea of signing V-Mart at a very similar age and price last offseason. Zobrist is different in that he is not coming off a career year and he is not restricted to one (non-)position. He's the anti-Martinez. I have to wonder if the decline in his defensive numbers last year was real and age-based, or just a blip. But his bat has always been really good and I expect it to stay good. In a vacuum I'd be okay with 4/$60 for him, but the state of the Sox should have them avoiding old guys in general. when a guy is 35 I'm not sure you can write off declining defense as a blip. Father time catches up with everyone. He might have 1 year left as the guy who can play anywhere, but I'd be very afraid I was signing a 2B only for 3 years $45M. Zobrist's bat is good, but not sure it's that good heading into his twilight years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 09:35 AM) when a guy is 35 I'm not sure you can write off declining defense as a blip. Father time catches up with everyone. He might have 1 year left as the guy who can play anywhere, but I'd be very afraid I was signing a 2B only for 3 years $45M. Zobrist's bat is good, but not sure it's that good heading into his twilight years I think it's more about what kind of shape you're in. If guys who can only play infield and guys who can only play outfield can play until they're almost 40, why can't a guy who does both continue to do both? I'm not advocating the signing of him but just thought I'd bring that point up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) I think it's more about what kind of shape you're in. If guys who can only play infield and guys who can only play outfield can play until they're almost 40, why can't a guy who does both continue to do both? I'm not advocating the signing of him but just thought I'd bring that point up. How many guys are still playing good defense past 35 though? I can't think of many. Declining athletic ability is 100% inevitable and usually starts at around 35. Maybe Zobrist continues for longer, but you'd be betting against a lot of history of the opposite. And I'm not trying to imply that Zobrist is suddenly going to be useless or anything like that, but his days of being a + defender at almost any position are very numbered in my opinion. But then again, if Daniel Murphy is going to get paid 15+M per year, Zobrist probably should too. But in the end I wouldn't sign either so I guess it all depends on personal opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 No thanks. His age concerns me, and I think we'd be smarter to use the money elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 02:09 PM) 35 year old Zobrist to a 4 year $60+mm deal? Nah I'm good. Pass. Way too much money, but it's the going rate for the teams who spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 04:48 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/ben-...60-million.html So Sox fans. Anyone still interested in Zobrist? I say thanks but absolutely no thanks. Not a surprise. Mlbtraderumors last month predicted 3 years and $51 million for him. I've said all along, he'll get 4 years. Every team in baseball would be improved by him. Only one needs to offer 4 years. If they're actually trying to contend this year and next (which I think they should), I'd have no problem with that IF they can get him to play 3rd base for at least a couple years. It's free agency. It's the convenience store. Everything is an overpay that may well look bad in the final year, but the Sox have no other albatross contracts and 4 years is not crippling. If the Sox are patching over 3rd base with David Freese or Brett Lawrie, they better be making big offensive improvements elsewhere, otherwise there's no point. Edited December 3, 2015 by Vance Law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I think the Sox and Zobrist make zero sense. If we are going to try and contend, I hope it is because we are aggressive and adding players who can not only help us next year but 2-3 years down the road as well. Signing Zobrist to this type of deal just puts us in a worse position when the probability to be competitive is higher and thus I'm not interested. He's a good fit for some teams but he isn't a good fit for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Love the player hate the age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 He's getting 4 years (at least). Could we be that mystery team? http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/mets...ur-years-2.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 08:21 PM) He's getting 4 years (at least). Could we be that mystery team? http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/mets...ur-years-2.html I sure as hell hope not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 It would make sense for a true contender like the Mets to make a run at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 He's way too old to give him the $$ he desires. Let the Mets have him. Idiotic signing for an oldie. Two years maybe; five?? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 08:21 PM) He's getting 4 years (at least). Could we be that mystery team? http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/mets...ur-years-2.html Been stated a couple times that he wants to go to contender. Sox aren't a contender right now and will take alot to get them there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Good, I'm glad a team is willing to give Zobrist a four year deal because I sure as hell would not commit four years to a 34 year old "super utility" player. Considering the state of the Sox, that money could be much better spent elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 06:14 AM) Good, I'm glad a team is willing to give Zobrist a four year deal because I sure as hell would not commit four years to a 34 year old "super utility" player. Considering the state of the Sox, that money could be much better spent elsewhere. Super utility guy has been under a 5.0 WAR only twice since 2008. He, at least saber metrically, has been one of the better players in baseball for many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 06:37 AM) Super utility guy has been under a 5.0 WAR only twice since 2008. He, at least saber metrically, has been one of the better players in baseball for many years. That's all fine and dandy but how well is he going to play for the duration of the four year contract? Zobrist turns 35 in May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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