I agree. But we can't overvalue our prospects.

Reminds me when an espn guy wrote something to the effect of 29 fanbases grossly overvalue their own prospects. And then there's White Sox fans.

You need at least a seasons worth of defensive metrics before they mean anything.

 

 

Metrics in his short stint are pretty close to useless. He'd be a plus or plus-plus corner guy, and at least above average if not plus in CF, in my view. don't care about gold gloves, but he'd be very good out there.

 

You can say the same thing about hitting statistics but many on here seem to ignore his half dozen seasons of poor hitting in the minors in favor of the 25 games he hit well in the majors.

Reminds me when an espn guy wrote something to the effect of 29 fanbases grossly overvalue their own prospects. And then there's White Sox fans.

 

That's my point of view in this. You need to give something to get something. I wouldn't give up EJ for Lawrie. But, selling high on someone like Engel who had a hot ~75 PA in the AFL for a starting 3B? Count me in.

I see this impediment more as a sign the follow up moves to this are either falling through or not as progressing as fast as they anticipated when this leaked late last night. I think we see a few moves quickly. And I still think this is part of the plan Sox just don't want to announce it yet.

 

And we aren't giving up Trayce for him either

You can say the same thing about hitting statistics but many on here seem to ignore his half dozen seasons of poor hitting in the minors in favor of the 25 games he hit well in the majors.

Well that's an oversimplification too, from them and you. He improved his contact rate consistently as he went up the line, power was almost always there, and he drew some walks. Saying he had six poor hitting seasons isn't really accurate either. More accurate to say he struggled with contact but improved with time, and there are still questions about the hit tool. Power is real. He also made some significant changes in Charlotte this year that were important.

 

Basically, you should put only small emphasis (but not none) on his 1.5 months in the majors this year STATISTICALLY. More important from that time is, he looked the part, at least for me.

 

I see this impediment more as a sign the follow up moves to this are either falling through or not as progressing as fast as they anticipated when this leaked late last night. I think we see a few moves quickly. And I still think this is part of the plan Sox just don't want to announce it yet.

 

And we aren't giving up Trayce for him either

 

Maybe the Orioles going after Upton now puts some doubt into the plans?

Meh I say like Mike Olt play it out at 3rd

Meh I say like Mike Olt play it out at 3rd

 

I'm going to need a lot of Bulls playoff basketball if we go that route.

Edited December 9, 201510 yr by Jose Paniagua

Meh I say like Mike Olt play it out at 3rd

 

Matt Davidson and Mike Olt righty/righty platoon!

I'm going to need a lot of Bulls playoff basketball if we go that route. Months and months of it

 

Seriously the Hawks and Bulls need to play until late June and the Bears would have to have an exciting offseason if that's the case.

 

Granted I'm not as in to those sports as I am baseball but I'm just saying for the typical sports fan who is a Sox fan but also like those teams.

Edited December 9, 201510 yr by soxfan2014

Meh I say like Mike Olt play it out at 3rd

Even if we're rebuilding that sounds awful

Maybe the Orioles going after Upton now puts some doubt into the plans?

 

I haven't heard anything about Upton connecting with the sox for a few days. I hope we go after him but I think Hahn has a few things in the fire all kind of dependent on one another. Whether they are trades, FA acquisitions, etc. we heard late Monday they were meeting to discuss a series of moves and now I think he is trying to execute them.

 

I doubt the O's end up with J Up I heard they offered Davis 6-$150 the other day. Now if he turns it down it shows they have the cash to throw at Upton, J Hey, or Cespedes. I hope we end up with 1 of the 3 but in order to we have to improve well enough through trades and such to warrant spending that money on an OF. Not to mention we would probably have to trade one of them or Laroach in order for it to make sense.

Sounds like Sox are playing hard ball. Someone will blink.

I like the deal no matter who of those people is being thrown around. I'd rather it not be Trayce, but if so? Whatever. He was and still is a fringe prospect who can play a bit of D.

In some sense, I'd like to keep him though and play him in Center. Move Eaton to LF. Lawrie at 3B. All of a sudden with a Saladino at SS the defense is so greatly improved compared to last year. With Sanchez at 2b, move Melky to DH and then add an impact bat in RF and we're set. Not the best team. But you have defense around the diamond, you have some speed, and if you get that impact bat (Upton/Gordon/Cespedes) then I think you actually can trick me into believing we can compete for a WS next year...

 

 

Around the diamond from 1B

 

Abreu, Sanchez, Saladino, Lawrie

Cespedes, Thompson, Eaton

Avila

Melky

 

Lineup:

Eaton, Melky, Abreu, Cespedes, Lawrie, Thompson, Avila, Sanchez, Saladino.

The bottom? Meh. I've seen worse. Not going to scare anyone, but can flash the glove.

 

 

With our pitching? I think you can fit this team into the 3 year window category Hahn talked about.

Wait til I'm home to finish the deal Hahn lol

Even if we're rebuilding that sounds awful

 

I wasnt being serious just FYI

 

A fan from the stands playing 3rd base would be a better option. But seriously some people could make signing Mike Trout sound like a bad idea on here. I swear the amount of negativity must be a gift for some.

 

I bet some people here would be happy with a complete teardown that results in none of the prospects actually working out just so we could stink for the next 20 years.

Edited December 9, 201510 yr by Baron

I see this impediment more as a sign the follow up moves to this are either falling through or not as progressing as fast as they anticipated when this leaked late last night. I think we see a few moves quickly. And I still think this is part of the plan Sox just don't want to announce it yet.

 

And we aren't giving up Trayce for him either

 

Agreed, this sounds like the Sox are still lining up another domino or two.

It kind of bothers me that the white sox, of all places, cannot try out to see if Trayce is something worth keeping.

To anyone worried about losing Trayce:

 

Not 24 hours ago articles came out saying he was going to be given a shot at CF in ST. Obviously, this doesn't completely preclude the Sox from dealing him. Nonetheless, I doubt that the Sox would deal him after not being too far removed from comments like that.

 

I'm pretty happy about that, too. I'd like our organization to be the first to see if Trayce can make the adjustments required to be a good major leaguer. I'm not ready to trade him, at this point.

Stll have the feeling there's more involved in the trade talks than just Lawrie. Then again, maybe it could be that both teams are looking into medicals? It just seems like a deal like this would be more simple and take less time.

To anyone worried about losing Trayce:

 

Not 24 hours ago articles came out saying he was going to be given a shot at CF in ST. Obviously, this doesn't completely preclude the Sox from dealing him. Nonetheless, I doubt that the Sox would deal him after not being too far removed from comments like that.

 

I'm pretty happy about that, too. I'd like our organization to be the first to see if Trayce can make the adjustments required to be a good major leaguer. I'm not ready to trade him, at this point.

 

I think the sox may keep trayce, but that sounds like classic use of media to try and hype up a player for trade.

It kind of bothers me that the white sox, of all places, cannot try out to see if Trayce is something worth keeping.

 

Or when they do let players try it out and can't get anything out of them production wise. Avi had his first full season and ready to dump him. Sox aren't in a luxury to keep playing Russian Roulette

To anyone worried about losing Trayce:

 

Not 24 hours ago articles came out saying he was going to be given a shot at CF in ST. Obviously, this doesn't completely preclude the Sox from dealing him. Nonetheless, I doubt that the Sox would deal him after not being too far removed from comments like that.

 

I'm pretty happy about that, too. I'd like our organization to be the first to see if Trayce can make the adjustments required to be a good major leaguer. I'm not ready to trade him, at this point.

 

Robin was also on MLB network the other day and said Olt may get a shot at third. What is said in the media really means very little.

I think the sox may keep trayce, but that sounds like classic use of media to try and hype up a player for trade.

 

I was considering that angle as well, but it just doesn't seem to make much sense in relation to this trade. Maybe others.

 

Going out there and telling the media that Trayce is going to compete for CF just doesn't seem like a way to increase his value. His value is already as high as it has ever been, in my opinion. Teams have tape on him, they probably all have some kind of scouting report on him. Other teams are too smart to let what the White Sox say dictate the value that they originally placed on a player such as Trayce.

To anyone worried about losing Trayce:

 

Not 24 hours ago articles came out saying he was going to be given a shot at CF in ST. Obviously, this doesn't completely preclude the Sox from dealing him. Nonetheless, I doubt that the Sox would deal him after not being too far removed from comments like that.

 

I'm pretty happy about that, too. I'd like our organization to be the first to see if Trayce can make the adjustments required to be a good major leaguer. I'm not ready to trade him, at this point.

 

More likely this was a planted story to try to get the idea that they would keep him into the media, in an effort to gain some leverage.