No idea why, but I just had a weird daydream/vision in my head of the Sox trading Adam Eaton for Todd Frazier, Jay Bruce, and Jumbo Diaz.

 

I can't decide what my reaction would be to this. In one instance, we get a great 3B and and a nice arm in the pen. But, we also get Jay Bruce, who although has a ton of power, is such a liability in the OF that he is really a DH candidate at this point.

 

Wouldn't be thrilled about losing Eaton, but I guess Trayce gets a chance in CF and Bruce is still an upgrade over Avi in RF, especially if he bounces back to what he used to be. Maybe we sign a Cespedes then for CF.

 

Anyway. Since we don't have a catch-all, I guess random stuff like this is supposed to get it's own thread.

 

Thoughts? I'm truly torn.

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If the Reds made that trade, their entire organization should be fired from the president down to the ball boy. Even the parking attendants should be let go for such a horrendous trade.

If the Reds made that trade, their entire organization should be fired from the president down to the ball boy. Even the parking attendants should be let go for such a horrendous trade.

Great post. Made me laugh out loud. I actually was thinking I wouldn't mind seeing Frazier in a Sox uniform. It's risky acquiring NL guys but would they take Eaton/Rodon and a Class A guy? We got Trayce to take over for Eaton.

If you were a reds fan, and they made that trade, how would you feel? That is horrendous.

No idea why, but I just had a weird daydream/vision in my head of the Sox trading Adam Eaton for Todd Frazier, Jay Bruce, and Jumbo Diaz.

 

I can't decide what my reaction would be to this. In one instance, we get a great 3B and and a nice arm in the pen. But, we also get Jay Bruce, who although has a ton of power, is such a liability in the OF that he is really a DH candidate at this point.

 

Wouldn't be thrilled about losing Eaton, but I guess Trayce gets a chance in CF and Bruce is still an upgrade over Avi in RF, especially if he bounces back to what he used to be. Maybe we sign a Cespedes then for CF.

 

Anyway. Since we don't have a catch-all, I guess random stuff like this is supposed to get it's own thread.

 

Thoughts? I'm truly torn.

 

mail me some of that stuff you took.

No idea why, but I just had a weird daydream/vision in my head of the Sox trading Adam Eaton for Todd Frazier, Jay Bruce, and Jumbo Diaz.

 

I can't decide what my reaction would be to this. In one instance, we get a great 3B and and a nice arm in the pen. But, we also get Jay Bruce, who although has a ton of power, is such a liability in the OF that he is really a DH candidate at this point.

 

Wouldn't be thrilled about losing Eaton, but I guess Trayce gets a chance in CF and Bruce is still an upgrade over Avi in RF, especially if he bounces back to what he used to be. Maybe we sign a Cespedes then for CF.

 

Anyway. Since we don't have a catch-all, I guess random stuff like this is supposed to get it's own thread.

 

Thoughts? I'm truly torn.

 

What the hell are you torn about?

Gotta watch those psychedelics.... man.

 

Seriously. Nothing to be torn about since a deal like that would never happen.

What the hell are you torn about?

 

Well obviously Frazier is a great get. But Bruce is a salary dump at this point. But when you factor in Frazier has only 2 years of team control at about $20M, and Eaton has 6 years of team control at $41M, I think it starts to balance out tremendously.

 

Frazier was a 4.4 fWAR player. Eaton was a 3.6 fWAR. Frazier was a 4.0 bWAR player. Eaton was a 3.9 bWAR. Steamer projects Frazier at a 1.0 higher WAR than Eaton in 2016, while getting paid 3x as much.

 

I assume the outrage here is not the overvaluing of Frazier, but rather the undervaluing of Eaton and his tremendously team friendly deal. I mean, Eaton earned more than HALF of his entire contract just in 2015 alone. Frazier is providing surplus value over his contract as well, but for only 2 more years, at at age 31 and 32. Eaton will be 28 and 29 over those same seasons.

 

THAT is why I was/am torn on it still.

Well obviously Frazier is a great get. But Bruce is a salary dump at this point. But when you factor in Frazier has only 2 years of team control at about $20M, and Eaton has 6 years of team control at $41M, I think it starts to balance out tremendously.

 

Frazier was a 4.4 fWAR player. Eaton was a 3.6 fWAR. Frazier was a 4.0 bWAR player. Eaton was a 3.9 bWAR. Steamer projects Frazier at a 1.0 higher WAR than Eaton in 2016, while getting paid 3x as much.

 

I assume the outrage here is not the overvaluing of Frazier, but rather the undervaluing of Eaton and his tremendously team friendly deal. I mean, Eaton earned more than HALF of his entire contract just in 2015 alone. Frazier is providing surplus value over his contract as well, but for only 2 more years, at at age 31 and 32. Eaton will be 28 and 29 over those same seasons.

 

THAT is why I was/am torn on it still.

 

It's more like none of us see any universe where the Reds make that deal.

It's more like none of us see any universe where the Reds make that deal.

 

Yeah, I get that....yet no one is actually providing any points or support behind their reasoning...

 

The reason I could see the Reds not doing that is because Eaton is either too old for their window, and they want guys more in the 23-25 year old range, or because they want a collection of prospects over 1 current major leaguer. As far as value goes, I don't see much of a reason for them to have the type of extreme reactions people in this thread have had.

Edited December 11, 201510 yr by Chilihead90

Yeah, I get that....yet no one is actually providing any points or support behind their reasoning...

 

It makes no sense for the Reds.

 

Eaton is young, but won't be by the time they next compete.

Great post. Made me laugh out loud. I actually was thinking I wouldn't mind seeing Frazier in a Sox uniform. It's risky acquiring NL guys but would they take Eaton/Rodon and a Class A guy? We got Trayce to take over for Eaton.

 

I am not trading Rodon unless I am getting a young, cost controlled, stud position player back.

Ya, I don't think anyone is outraged. Just don't see the big dilemma about a day dream.

Yeah, I get that....yet no one is actually providing any points or support behind their reasoning...

 

The reason I could see the Reds not doing that is because Eaton is either too old for their window, and they want guys more in the 23-25 year old range, or because they want a collection of prospects over 1 current major leaguer. As far as value goes, I don't see much of a reason for them to have the type of extreme reactions people in this thread have had.

 

I think people don't realize how bad Jay Bruce has been the last 2 years. He gets pitched to like they pitch to Avi, on the fists and down and away and until Bruce proves he can lay off those pitches he will continue to suck. Might as well throw in he hasn't done well since his knee surgery either.

 

The trade is more questionable because there's always a chance Bruce bounces back to his former self . If it was Eaton for just Frazier I could buy it. Good leadoff guys and good 3rd basemen are both scarce. Frazier's power and defense and WAR are better than Eaton's but as you said years of control and contract make Eaton a more valuable commodity or arguably equal.

 

Reds probably don't include Frazier and Bruce in the same deal simply because if Bruce bounces back and Frazier continues to be Frazier then it becomes lopsided. They will want more than just one player in separate deals even if at this point Bruce is a salary dump someone might give up something for him.

many great topics on this board.

 

this is not one of them.

I think people don't realize how bad Jay Bruce has been the last 2 years. He gets pitched to like they pitch to Avi, on the fists and down and away and until Bruce proves he can lay off those pitches he will continue to suck. Might as well throw in he hasn't done well since his knee surgery either.

 

The trade is more questionable because there's always a chance Bruce bounces back to his former self . If it was Eaton for just Frazier I could buy it. Good leadoff guys and good 3rd basemen are both scarce. Frazier's power and defense and WAR are better than Eaton's but as you said years of control and contract make Eaton a more valuable commodity or arguably equal.

 

Reds probably don't include Frazier and Bruce in the same deal simply because if Bruce bounces back and Frazier continues to be Frazier then it becomes lopsided. They will want more than just one player in separate deals even if at this point Bruce is a salary dump someone might give up something for him.

 

This. Bruce is just awful the last two years. I won't do this albeit, highly unlikely, trade from the Sox perspective just because I don't think he's bouncing back. We don't need another low average and OBP player on this team who couldn't play defense. I think $25 mil is better spent elsewhere.

Great post. Made me laugh out loud. I actually was thinking I wouldn't mind seeing Frazier in a Sox uniform. It's risky acquiring NL guys but would they take Eaton/Rodon and a Class A guy? We got Trayce to take over for Eaton.

 

 

Rodon? Seriously?

I'd rather not trade Eaton. We know he's a solid contact hitter, and now he has some power to go with it. It was an off year for him defensively but I think he'll bounce back next year in LF.

I'm not going to lie, I don't like that deal for the Sox. I don't want to trade Eaton for Frazier. Eaton is more valuable when you factor his contract. Bruce, with his contract, and performance the past two years, is overpaid too, so again, don't see it. Not going to discuss Jumbo Diaz, other than he has an amazing name (that fits his size). He's still a 31 year old reliever who has two seasons in the bigs, the last one with some moderate success. Either way, I'm not making that deal. No way in hell.

 

Odd since everyone else seems to think it is a steal for the Sox.

 

How do we solve the Sox low OBP problems, by trading our best OBP guy for a 3B (who I happen to like) that does a lot of things well, but consistently getting on base isn't one of those things. In fact, after adding Lawrie, I think Frazier is just a poor fit on the southside. If we are going to fix our offense, I'd like to do it by bringing in more guys who are capable of getting on base consistently. It is why I'd prefer Heyward or Upton. I still like the idea of Alex Gordon if he truly is going to get a deal lower / shorter term than the others. I ultimately think when factoring money, etc, Upton is probably the most realistic get for the Sox.