mqr Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) This has been me for about twelve hours now Edited December 11, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, ptatc said: Are you assuming that none of the Sox OF from the minors will be good MLB OF in 2 years? Remove Robert, and they sent what some think is the likeliest prospect to replace him to the Rangers. Doesn't help their odds. None of the OF prospects should be penciled into RF in two years. That's a bad plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTC Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Sox are at $86M today with all guaranteed contracts including Mazara and other arb guys at their estimates and 15 guys making $600k. This counts Abreu at the $12.6M, so with the signing bonus spread amongst the three years. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/ Similar at Cots. They have them at $84M, which includes Mazara and est. $8.6M for the pre-arb guys. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQvElKAgm9uyseKLJEGXetnIxljCwEixOmMhSzhEXUan5IOuYnLcJG-bjolPjCtc6q0x6HPrNXJ7Zv7/pubhtml #unprecedentedfinancialflexibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: I still think they should have done better than Mazara but I agree with you there. If they don’t add a couple legit starting pitching options and some relief help, this offseason will be a failure. I agree that they need to add a starting pitcher but I'm sure we will disagree on who that is. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, ptatc said: I agree that they need to add a starting pitcher but I'm sure we will disagree on who that is. 😁 Who do you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 With 24 players on the roster that would be expected to break with the team (+ Kopech) right now, the White Sox payroll is: $84,535,499 Yasmani Grandal 31 C Vet $18,250,000 - $18,250,000 $18,250,000 23.41 ######## Jose Abreu 33 DH Vet $11,000,000 $1,666,666 $12,666,666 $12,666,666 16.25 ######## Alex Colome 31 RP/CL Arb 3 $10,300,000 - $10,300,000 $10,300,000 13.21 ######## Kelvin Herrera 30 RP Vet $8,500,000 - $8,500,000 $8,500,000 10.9 9,000,000 Nomar Mazara 25 RF Arb 2 3 $5,700,000 - $5,700,000 $5,700,000 7.31 5,700,000 James McCann 30 C Arb 3 $5,400,000 - $5,400,000 $5,400,000 6.93 5,400,000 Carlos Rodon 27 SP Arb 3 3 $4,500,000 - $4,500,000 $4,500,000 5.77 4,500,000 Tim Anderson 27 SS Pre-Arb 3 $4,000,000 - $4,000,000 $4,000,000 5.13 4,166,667 Leury Garcia 29 CF Arb 3 $4,000,000 - $4,000,000 $4,000,000 5.13 4,000,000 Eloy Jimenez 23 OF Pre-Arb 2 $1,500,000 $833,333 $2,333,333 $2,333,333 2.99 7,166,667 Evan Marshall 30 RP Arb 1 1 $1,300,000 - $1,300,000 $1,300,000 1.67 1,300,000 Aaron Bummer 26 RP Pre-Arb 1 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Dylan Cease 24 SP Pre-Arb 2 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Zack Collins 25 C Pre-Arb 2 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Jimmy Cordero 28 RP Pre-Arb 1 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Dylan Covey 28 SP Pre-Arb 1 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Adam Engel 28 CF Pre-Arb 1 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Jace Fry 26 RP Pre-Arb 2 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Carson Fulmer 26 RP Pre-Arb 1 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Lucas Giolito 25 SP Pre-Arb 1 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Michael Kopech 24 SP Pre-Arb 3 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Reynaldo Lopez 26 SP Pre-Arb 1 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Danny Mendick 26 SS Pre-Arb 3 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 Yoan Moncada 25 2B Pre-Arb 2 - - - 583,500 0 583,500 $84,535,499 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, Moan4Yoan said: Who do you want? Keuchal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Add Robert to the above group to make 25 men, and you are looking at 85 million even. If the Sox had plans to spend 120-130 million for payroll this year, they have 45 million to spend. That honestly could be Rendon + a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: Keuchal. Agreed, if David Price is out of range to take on in terms of talent and money I would be fine with Keuchel. I would also be fine with Ryu. I don’t think Bumgarner would be the greatest fit and will likely be overpaid so he’s already out of the Sox comfort range but I wouldn’t complain. Edited December 11, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin · 49s Renteria said Mazara would be the primary right fielder. Could explore platoon opportunities at times but wants to get Mazara going against lefties as well This fucking guy. 😂 I get not wanting to give up on any hope that he'd hit lefties, and he's certainly fared much better vs lefties than Joc but please stop talking Ricky. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: Agreed, if Price is out of range to take on in terms of talent and money. But I would be good with Ryu. I don’t think Bumgarner would be the greatest fit and will likely be overpaid so he’s already out of the Sox comfort range but I wouldn’t complain. I have always felt that was about a 1% chance Bumgarner went to the AL, but we'll see. He is worth more in the NL, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Scott Merkin @scottmerkin · 49s Renteria said Mazara would be the primary right fielder. Could explore platoon opportunities at times but wants to get Mazara going against lefties as well This fucking guy. 😂 I get not wanting to give up on any hope that he'd hit lefties, and he's certainly fared much better vs lefties than Joc but please stop talking Ricky. Thanks. Ricky gonna Ricky. It’s obvious we need a new manager. This guy could ruin any slim chance the Sox have to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Scott Merkin @scottmerkin · 49s Renteria said Mazara would be the primary right fielder. Could explore platoon opportunities at times but wants to get Mazara going against lefties as well This fucking guy. 😂 I get not wanting to give up on any hope that he'd hit lefties, and he's certainly fared much better vs lefties than Joc but please stop talking Ricky. Thanks. So it begins. Among a litany of other problems with the FO the disconnect between what Hahn wants to build and what Rickie wants to trot out there any given day is massive. Get on the same fucking page with your manager Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Ricky gonna Ricky. It’s obvious we need a new manager. This guy could ruin any slim chance the Sox have to win. Me and you will never ever see eye to eye on this or on the value of a manager. The worst strategic manager in the last 40 years of baseball has a World Series title. Managers matter so little, and I actually think a managers job is more-so to get great effort and clubhouse culture; Ricky does a fine job there. Edited December 11, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Me and you will never ever see eye to eye on this or on the value of a manager. The worst strategic manager in the last 40 years of baseball has a World Series title. Yost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Scott Merkin @scottmerkin · 49s Renteria said Mazara would be the primary right fielder. Could explore platoon opportunities at times but wants to get Mazara going against lefties as well This fucking guy. 😂 I get not wanting to give up on any hope that he'd hit lefties, and he's certainly fared much better vs lefties than Joc but please stop talking Ricky. Thanks. I just didn't think this organization was this incompetent, but it appears that I and many others were wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: So it begins. Among a litany of other problems with the FO the disconnect between what Hahn wants to build and what Rickie wants to trot out there any given day is massive. Get on the same fucking page with your manager Rick. There’s a reason Theo just let Maddon go for Ross. He wants Ross to make the lineups based on analytics and worry about managing the in-game decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: So it begins. Among a litany of other problems with the FO the disconnect between what Hahn wants to build and what Rickie wants to trot out there any given day is massive. Get on the same fucking page with your manager Rick. If Hahn told Ricky that Mazara is a platoon player, Ricky would listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, mqr said: Yost? Yessir. I'm not sure I've ever seen a buffoon of a manager/coach quite like Yost in any sport really. Bevington definitely gives him a run for his money though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, SonofaRoache said: I just didn't think this organization was this incompetent, but it appears that I and many others were wrong. Have you seen the Bulls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, fathom said: If Hahn told Ricky that Mazara is a platoon player, Ricky would listen. yea but what indications do we have that he will? Hahn has never indicated as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: There’s a reason Theo just let Maddon go for Ross. He wants Ross to make the lineups based on analytics and worry about managing the in-game decisions. Personally, I think it was Maddon didn't play the lineups theo told him to. Ross will not be making the lineups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Me and you will never ever see eye to eye on this or on the value of a manager. The worst strategic manager in the last 40 years of baseball has a World Series title. Lefty hitters usually struggle against lefty pitchers. I would like a manager that acknowledges this, factors in analytics, and creates his lineup accordingly. Instead, Ricky starts swearing when a reporter brings up analytics. Edited December 11, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: Lefty hitters usually struggle against lefty pitchers. I would like a manager that acknowledges this, factors in analytics, and creates his lineup accordingly. Instead, Ricky starts swearing when a reporter brings up analytics. yea but have you had his huevos rancheros? The pico is home made and amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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