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The entire affidavit of this witness, if anyone wants to read it.

I don’t know where to begin. Maybe like he did, by announcing that my mine is sound.

There’s no evidence. It’s just a Venezuelan guy who saw shady stuff in Venezuela and now claims that shady stuff is happening here too. Gee, I wish I was so patriotic towards this country that I could compare its institutions to a dumpy banana republic.

Come on, though. All these conspiracy theories and the Knights Templar couldn’t even get a good word? All the coolest whacko theories involve the boys of the KT!

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12 minutes ago, greg775 said:

I hope you are against arson and the like. I would assume you are. Ordinary apartment goers shouldn't have to go to bed worried their building will be set ablaze. It's not right to pay taxes and have the mayor/governor refuse to respond and refuse to make charges stick when they finally do come out to stop the madness on a nightly basis.

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30 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Not the Portland riots. I spent many a night up til 3 my time watching the cops finally respond to the firebombs, etc. on stream. Every night rinse repeat with cops chasing the arsonists/rioters in Portland.

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4 hours ago, MEANS said:

They are bringing their own food, my point is more that I never agreed to this and they are just coming. This is the worst time for this and they've just decided to not listen.

Well that's pretty darn frustrating.

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10 hours ago, mqr said:

My point had little to do with your personal politics, I meant the center doesn't exist because it's all relative to acceptable American politics.

If we get all this stuff:

"a public option, I am pro-LGBT, I want police reform and an end to qualified immunity,"

and the conversation shifts to "maybe we should try real socialism?", I'd probably start calling myself a centrist too. 

 

10 hours ago, StrangeSox said:

That's the whole thing though, what constitutes "each side" depends on both time and place. The Democratic Party would be a center-right party in a whole lot of the rest of the world today. Their economic positions today would have been center-right from roughly the 30's-70's in this country. There's no inherent virtue in picking a compromise position between the US's two dominate parties simply because it's between them.

 

e: there's nothing inherently good about being 100% in line with either particular party either, of course. 

Can you guys explain what is meant by Biden or the democrats being practically republicans by some? What do you both think about how progressives and moderates interact in the electoral sense? What should moderates and progressives do to bring something home to their constituents that appeases both of them?

7 hours ago, greg775 said:

I know what I see. If it's lessened the past two weeks, then I'm very happy. I watched it nightly all summer into the fall into the winter. If it's now subsiding, good. But I will not back down on my summer/fall/early winter hobby of nightly watching the streamers in Portland. Just Saturday two guys were online harassing the Antifa in the street. I can send you the link. It was pretty funny. It was LAST WEEKEND. If you want the links I watch I'll PM them to you. 

Please provide the links you watch or have been watching in the thread so we can all see them.

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I'll send u guys all the links. But here's the one I'm watching tonight. It's awesome. Cops busting the Antifa thugs early tonight for spray painting. Cops are after the Antifa thugs early tonight. As the streamer calls them, "domestic terrorists." Cool stream watch it now.

www.twitch.tv/behindenemylinesnews

Anitanoellegreen is another one streaming tonight.

Also https://woke.net/ will take u to some streams nationwide and in Portland.

And please stop implying I'm lying I don't lie which makes me different from most politicians during COVID. They had 120 consecutive nights of rioting which is 4 months. If it's lessened a tad since Biden won, it appears it finally has. But it hasn't stopped. Last Saturday was bad (I watched it) and the Antifa thugs are out tonight and some have already been stopped by cops. Just please stop the doubting greg stuff right now. It's been my nightly routine to watch this anarchy.

Lots of building damage tonight. The guys are taking pictures of all the broken windows. the behind enemy lines guys who hate Antifa have all the footage. Portland still rioting!!! Makes me fricking sick. But, no, it's not going on. Andy Ngo just. makes it all up as well.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/SenMikeShirkey/status/1329925843053899780

I’m tired of conspiratorial idiots on both sides. 

People were criticizing this guy earlier for ignoring a reporter in the airport on his way to meet with Trump. Now he puts out a statement saying that he met with the President because who wouldn’t do so if given the opportunity, that he pressed him for COVID relief, that he’s seen no evidence of fraud and intends to certify the votes as required by law. In the replies, a bunch of people who can’t wipe away their partisan eye boogers long enough to read a six paragraph statement but still fancy themselves smart are mindlessly calling for him to go to prison.

Yeah yeah, deeds not words. I get that. But I hope these types are prepared to eat some crow when Mike Shirkey certifies the vote as expected and Donald takes to Twitter to berate him as a RINO.

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I have been thinking of the degradation people who work with or for Trump have to go through on a daily basis. There is Pence and his groveling. Pompeo and his talking about a "second Trump administration." There is William Barr who needs to be disbarred. There was Sean Spicer and his lies about adoring Trump crowds. And finally the former New York City Mayor making a total laughing stock out of himself.

To go along with all of this is all the stupid talk that Covid happened just to ruin Donald Trump and the total idiocy of a stolen election that Trump has lost by over 6,000,000. And the idea that his followers really think he cares about them when he doesn't care about his own family, and the talk about riots that don't exist.

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3 hours ago, NWINFan said:

I have been thinking of the degradation people who work with or for Trump have to go through on a daily basis. There is Pence and his groveling. Pompeo and his talking about a "second Trump administration." There is William Barr who needs to be disbarred. There was Sean Spicer and his lies about adoring Trump crowds. And finally the former New York City Mayor making a total laughing stock out of himself.

To go along with all of this is all the stupid talk that Covid happened just to ruin Donald Trump and the total idiocy of a stolen election that Trump has lost by over 6,000,000. And the idea that his followers really think he cares about them when he doesn't care about his own family, and the talk about riots that don't exist.

I also feel for the secret service agents who were put at risk when he held his rallies or had to drive him around during his hospital stay.

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12 hours ago, greg775 said:

I'll send u guys all the links. But here's the one I'm watching tonight. It's awesome. Cops busting the Antifa thugs early tonight for spray painting. Cops are after the Antifa thugs early tonight. As the streamer calls them, "domestic terrorists." Cool stream watch it now.

www.twitch.tv/behindenemylinesnews

Anitanoellegreen is another one streaming tonight.

Also https://woke.net/ will take u to some streams nationwide and in Portland.

And please stop implying I'm lying I don't lie which makes me different from most politicians during COVID. They had 120 consecutive nights of rioting which is 4 months. If it's lessened a tad since Biden won, it appears it finally has. But it hasn't stopped. Last Saturday was bad (I watched it) and the Antifa thugs are out tonight and some have already been stopped by cops. Just please stop the doubting greg stuff right now. It's been my nightly routine to watch this anarchy.

Lots of building damage tonight. The guys are taking pictures of all the broken windows. the behind enemy lines guys who hate Antifa have all the footage. Portland still rioting!!! Makes me fricking sick. But, no, it's not going on. Andy Ngo just. makes it all up as well.

If they don't show it on CNN, it never happened

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12 hours ago, greg775 said:

I'll send u guys all the links. But here's the one I'm watching tonight. It's awesome. Cops busting the Antifa thugs early tonight for spray painting. Cops are after the Antifa thugs early tonight. As the streamer calls them, "domestic terrorists." Cool stream watch it now.

www.twitch.tv/behindenemylinesnews

Anitanoellegreen is another one streaming tonight.

Also https://woke.net/ will take u to some streams nationwide and in Portland.

And please stop implying I'm lying I don't lie which makes me different from most politicians during COVID. They had 120 consecutive nights of rioting which is 4 months. If it's lessened a tad since Biden won, it appears it finally has. But it hasn't stopped. Last Saturday was bad (I watched it) and the Antifa thugs are out tonight and some have already been stopped by cops. Just please stop the doubting greg stuff right now. It's been my nightly routine to watch this anarchy.

Lots of building damage tonight. The guys are taking pictures of all the broken windows. the behind enemy lines guys who hate Antifa have all the footage. Portland still rioting!!! Makes me fricking sick. But, no, it's not going on. Andy Ngo just. makes it all up as well.

Trump's America. 

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13 hours ago, greg775 said:

I'll send u guys all the links. But here's the one I'm watching tonight. It's awesome. Cops busting the Antifa thugs early tonight for spray painting. Cops are after the Antifa thugs early tonight. As the streamer calls them, "domestic terrorists." Cool stream watch it now.

www.twitch.tv/behindenemylinesnews

Anitanoellegreen is another one streaming tonight.

Also https://woke.net/ will take u to some streams nationwide and in Portland.

And please stop implying I'm lying I don't lie which makes me different from most politicians during COVID. They had 120 consecutive nights of rioting which is 4 months. If it's lessened a tad since Biden won, it appears it finally has. But it hasn't stopped. Last Saturday was bad (I watched it) and the Antifa thugs are out tonight and some have already been stopped by cops. Just please stop the doubting greg stuff right now. It's been my nightly routine to watch this anarchy.

Lots of building damage tonight. The guys are taking pictures of all the broken windows. the behind enemy lines guys who hate Antifa have all the footage. Portland still rioting!!! Makes me fricking sick. But, no, it's not going on. Andy Ngo just. makes it all up as well.

Is this your primary concern Greg? How big do you feel this movement is? 

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3 hours ago, The Beast said:

Is this your primary concern Greg? How big do you feel this movement is? 

Greg’s problem is that he latches on to small things and makes them big things. Do I like Antifa? No way. I see some unemployed douchebag LARPing as a communist revolutionary in the evenings and I wish there was a way to instantly lobotomize them (same goes for Proud Boys). But I will literally never meet a Proud Boy or Antifa member. This is a country of 325,000,000. If there were even 1,000 assholes terrorizing downtown Portland, it would not constitute “a lot”.

Most people are very fucking normal, have reasonable beliefs with zero desire to hit you if you disagree, and they just want to go about their lives. That’s it.

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3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Trump's America. 

Are you serious? It's the mayor and governor's fault for not arresting and charging these anarchists. It's amazing it's easier to get arrested for holding a Thanksgiving party of 20 people than it is to bust windows in major stores and grab a few items for the TV room. Unfrickingbelievable. Trump's fault?? LOL. Antifa hates Biden, too. Even though I disagree with most posters on here I pray you don't run into some of these thugs on the street. I don't want anybody to get hit with a bat.

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16 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:

Most people are very fucking normal, have reasonable beliefs with zero desire to hit you if you disagree, and they just want to go about their lives. That’s it.

i enjoyed your post and hope it is true. Remember that couple in St. Looie that brought out the guns to meet Antifa? Didn't work out well for them thru the legal system with punks all over their property yelling nasty things. Lot of people have been physically bruised by Antifa Not this St Looie couple, nothing happened to them but it was daylight, too.

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17 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:

Greg’s problem is that he latches on to small things and makes them big things. Do I like Antifa? No way. I see some unemployed douchebag LARPing as a communist revolutionary in the evenings and I wish there was a way to instantly lobotomize them (same goes for Proud Boys). But I will literally never meet a Proud Boy or Antifa member. This is a country of 325,000,000. If there were even 1,000 assholes terrorizing downtown Portland, it would not constitute “a lot”.

Most people are very fucking normal, have reasonable beliefs with zero desire to hit you if you disagree, and they just want to go about their lives. That’s it.

Yes.  Exactly.  Same with racists from any race.  Most people are just out there mixing with other people trying to get by.  Don’t let the news make you think there are huge blocks of white supremacists or antifa people out there ruining things.  These are tiny tiny little groups that can only fill up a camera lense, nothing more. 

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5 hours ago, The Beast said:

Is this your primary concern Greg? How big do you feel this movement is? 

Yeah it's a big concern. I have a relative who lives downtown Chicago and he's got one guard in his highrise lobby. He's afraid the mobs are gonna hit the elevators one night and come busting through doors (remember his area was hit by window breakers and looters twice already in the last 4 months). They've hit the KC suburbs on two occasions. Of course I'm worried about the looters and head bashers who always attack 3 on 1 or 4 on 1. Cowards.

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14 minutes ago, greg775 said:

i enjoyed your post and hope it is true. Remember that couple in St. Looie that brought out the guns to meet Antifa? Didn't work out well for them thru the legal system with punks all over their property yelling nasty things. Lot of people have been physically bruised by Antifa Not this St Looie couple, nothing happened to them but it was daylight, too.

Yes, I remember them. They should have called the police, locked the doors, and armed themselves INSIDE the home. The door actually gets kicked open, start laying down lead and blow them all to hell. Not familiar with MO law, but in my state, they would have been totally in the clear following those guidelines. Standing on the porch, flagging each other with their muzzles, they look stupid and open themselves up to legal trouble.

And sure, protesters should stay out of your yard (and away from people’s homes in general). So fire up the security cams and call the cops. Let them handle it. You can’t shoot someone for traipsing through your roses so you shouldn’t threaten to do it either.

Side note, since you want to buy a gun, you should never just brandish at anyone. The moment you pull a gun on me thinking it makes you look tough is the moment I justifiably shoot you in the face. You will NOT see my firearm until I’ve cleared myself to start pulling the trigger. So don’t do that shit. And regarding the St Louis couple, they made this error and gave a decent amount of protection to anyone in that crowd who wanted to shoot back.

The McCloskeys were all sorts of fucked up.

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28 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Are you serious? It's the mayor and governor's fault for not arresting and charging these anarchists. It's amazing it's easier to get arrested for holding a Thanksgiving party of 20 people than it is to bust windows in major stores and grab a few items for the TV room. Unfrickingbelievable. Trump's fault?? LOL. Antifa hates Biden, too. Even though I disagree with most posters on here I pray you don't run into some of these thugs on the street. I don't want anybody to get hit with a bat.

Yep. Trump's America,  where he has cult members in Kansas hiding in fear over imaginary scary non-white people.  

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1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

Yep. Trump's America,  where he has cult members in Kansas hiding in fear over imaginary scary non-white people.  

I hope you are not calling me a liar, watching with my own eyes what's going on in Portland for 120 consecutive nights, then stalling about a week after the election, picking up again last night. Not cool to call some ody a liar which your "imaginary" suggests. I know you don't care that I care and am offended, but it's just WRONG. Also the Antifa are almost exclusively white people. The nightly disturbances usually begin with speeches from legitimate speakers who happen to be BLM supporters who deliver a good message with legitimate concerns. The ones causing "most" of the trouble and anarchy are whites between 18 and about 29. Full body armour, video game attire, shields, umbrellas, firebombs, hammers, stuff like that more than guns so far, though it's been speculated more and more streamers are armed and more and more protestors are armed. Almost all whites though.

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1 hour ago, Danny Dravot said:

They should have called the police...

You lost me there but I did not stop reading there because I like your posts. However calling the police does no good. The mayors and governors will not charge protestors/looters/rioters. "Sometimes" they'll arrest them, but they are not charged with crimes. Calling the police doesn't work anymore in the age of AOC-led defund the police mantras.

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17 minutes ago, greg775 said:

I hope you are not calling me a liar, watching with my own eyes what's going on in Portland for 120 consecutive nights, then stalling about a week after the election, picking up again last night. Not cool to call some ody a liar which your "imaginary" suggests. I know you don't care that I care and am offended, but it's just WRONG. Also the Antifa are almost exclusively white people. The nightly disturbances usually begin with speeches from legitimate speakers who happen to be BLM supporters who deliver a good message with legitimate concerns. The ones causing "most" of the trouble and anarchy are whites between 18 and about 29. Full body armour, video game attire, shields, umbrellas, firebombs, hammers, stuff like that more than guns so far, though it's been speculated more and more streamers are armed and more and more protestors are armed. Almost all whites though.

I guess I prefer my imaginary home invaders to be fat, jolly and drop of gifts.

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7 minutes ago, greg775 said:

You lost me there but I did not stop reading there because I like your posts. However calling the police does no good. The mayors and governors will not charge protestors/looters/rioters. "Sometimes" they'll arrest them, but they are not charged with crimes. Calling the police doesn't work anymore in the age of AOC-led defund the police mantras.

Calling the police is just one element, though. I'm not anti-gun and I'm certainly not anti-self/home defense. I have a concealed carry permit in a red state and I almost always keep a locked and loaded .45 in my glove box. Stupid home defense is not something I support. Coming out on your patio and aiming rifles at people in the street is just stupid. It's not legal and it's not tactically wise.

A key part of self defense is not provoking the other person. I can't be raging all over the highway and then shoot someone who seems to threaten me. You can't push a guy in a bar fight and shoot him when he punches you. You can't stand outside and point guns at people you don't like. Those people broke a gate and were trespassing. So...call. The. Cops. They weren't threatening the McCloskeys until the McCloskeys tacitly encouraged them to do so. If the McCloskeys stayed in their house and plugged the guy who was stupid enough to break through their front door, and then plugged anyone who tried to come to that guy's defense, I'd support them 150 fucking percent. But they didn't do that- they came outside and started a confrontation.

Also, if, say, one of the McCloskeys was standing out front and the protesters came up and were threatening them, actually threatening them, and refused requests to leave, some level of self defense would perhaps be justified. I'm not asking anyone to cower inside their homes but you CANNOT start the armed confrontation.

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