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Hard to argue with your timeline. It's good that Getz got something at all for him (and JR is VERY happy the Mets took on the entire salary) but it is a fact the Sox were going nowhere but to stinktown right after Robert had his very good year. Why Getz decided to keep him given the state of the franchise/organization is a real mystery to me.

the NFL cap is largely fake unless you get incredibly in the hole like the Saints have done

They are looking to move one pitcher who they know they can’t resign after this season and another pitcher who is overhyped right now with years of control remaining. I don’t think it is a completely outrageous strategy for them to try to restock and this is the only way a team gets top prospects anymore. But yeah, it will definitely will impact their 2026.

Brewers doing absolutely nothing to try and contend

I was just kidding…Caulfield banned regardless!

2026 will likely tell the story, one way or another. But I know Vaughn doesn’t get $7.65 million for next season if he is never traded to the Brewers.

Meh. He was hot for a good while and then was pretty bad again.

This is not even close to a good comparison, considering the situation at the time (Getz’s own plan). Once Getz was promoted to GM at the end of the 2023 season and the most productive season of Robert’s career, Getz began his rebuild. Rebuilds by your own words take around 5 years to see to fruition. At this point in time, the Sox had Robert locked up for a maximum of 4 more years which means Robert wouldn’t likely still be under contract by the next time the Sox were in competition for the division (once again, your own 5-year timeline for a rebuild). Here were Robert’s salaries for those 4 upcoming years. 2024: $12.5M 2025: $15M 2026: $20M club option ($2M buyout) 2027: $20M club option ($2M buyout) How is this a good comparison to knowing when to trade Colson Montgomery, considering he was just called up last year and is under control at cheap salaries up until he becomes a free agent in 2032, which should also be within your 5-year timeline to see Getz’s rebuild to fruition? It is on one guy to know when to hold em and when to fold em, to know when to sell his players at the right time, and that is the GM. Getz held onto Robert until his value declined so much that all he could get was yet another former post-hype top prospect who has already lost his luster. No different than a Vargas or Mead. If Getz traded Robert after the 2023 season, would he have received a better return than this? Yes, undoubtedly. If Getz traded Robert after the 2024 season, would he have received a better return than this? Yes, undoubtedly. Instead, Getz waited until Robert put up two subpar seasons in a row and got back peanuts for him.

I don’t agree that he has no raw power.

It’s a fucking embarrassment. I still think they add a bit more, but with Robert gone being close to dead last is inevitable. Hopefully Jerry’s loser kids use that money on the Bulls one day and sneak into the luxury tax (not happening obviously).

I 100% think he rebounds with the bat, at least to slightly above league average levels. Can’t comment on his health. Feels like his big problem is his body is too muscular and tight and without an offseason to train differently, I’m not sure what a new club could do there.

Time for a new team song:

This really doesn’t mean all that much. The truth of the matter is that the Sox couldn’t even get a secondary piece that was on the Mets top 30 prospect list. His perceived value does not match his supposed talent.

Andrew Vaughn would like a word.

Don’t let Jerry know about this thing called inflation or it’s even more embarrassing.

Contract the franchise imo

This is entirely untrue. The Sox went overslot on their 2nd and 4th round picks by a combined $1.1M and had to go multiple spots under slot and were limited how big of a bonus the could pay in rounds 11 & later (mostly capped at $150k). As such, they only had six total picks with a bonus above Pauley’s and the 5th & 6th round picks within range of Pauley’s payout were generally considered better prospects. None of that means they didn’t like Pauley at the time of the draft.

I'd like somebody to tell us if, when and how bad Colson Montgomery will be injured in the future so Getz could be sure to trade him when he's at his peak value.

This is way too simplistic of an assessment. First & foremost, the infrastructure of the org was complete garbage. Look at the initial wave of trades Getz made and how bad they were. Most of them were small stakes but failed. He did make the Cease trade and that one looks very uninspiring at the moment. Holding off on trading a guy who just had an insane year to allow yourself more time to make improvements in pro scouting & R&D and hopefully improve the likelihood of a good return isn’t necessarily a crazy proposition. We also have no idea what other teams were offering back then. This idea you can just force a trade is absurd, the market has to be there and that’s not always the case when trading a premium asset whose value is tied heavily to team control. No doubt he should have traded him using hindsight, but that’s a really bad way to evaluate a decision making process.

There goes whatever made-up interest that was.

I will even go out on a limb here. If the Sox had a choice between the Japanese player and getting nothing for Robert, or no Murakami, but picking up cash to get a major return for Robert, with where the franchise is in 2026 and 2027, I take the later every time. We are still no where near our window, and these deals in isolation don't help us get there.

Except the sunk cost fallacy implies the alternative is better here, which isn't really true, especially when we're talking about perhaps the worst opening day outfield in MLB history here.

Kind of tells you everything you needed to know about what this organization has been about, and the fix was in.

I mean, I get that. I'm in the camp that this is better than buying out Robert. Getz clearly made a fine decision there. But the return is basically nothing. Neither of these guys are going to contribute to the next good Sox team. Acuna would highly likely have been DFA by NYM before opening day and Pauley is more or less just a guy and it would be amazing development if he ever even reached a 40 man roster. I don't expect the Sox to be good next season, but they are considerably worse without Robert. I, for one, was looking forward to him having a smudge of protection and a watchable offense if he played well.