WestEddy

I don't see people being criticized for "being skeptical". I see people criticized for turning every move into multiple "Chris Getz is in over his head, he sucks" posts every day. I see a couple mods criticized for mocking people who want to evaluate moves on face value, not based on "the guy making them didn't deserve his job, so they must suck". I don't feel like I defend Getz. I root for a team. I really want to see if Fletcher grows into a 4th OF who can hit. Getz was made GM 16 months ago. It's been litigated.

Dude, there's 3-4 mods here who turn every single string into an "Everything Chris Getz has ever done in his life failed" string. Then you blame us trying to make sense of or correct the obvious BS. Now you're going to drag out this string arguing that people saying something won't happen, aren't actually saying that something won't happen. I guess that's a desperate way to pad out these posts and look busy. You're right. Because the White Sox lost an historic number of games last year, all the dour folks get to make up their own facts, lie about what they said, and call those of us not joining in names. Again, just be honest about it. Stop gaslighting.

The multiple quote button is hidden under an ad banner, so I just cut and paste: No, Balta, these people aren't saying, "I'll believe it when I see it". They are pretty much saying "everything will fail". I don't care if you believe that everything will fail. I don't care if y'all want it to. But you people say things, lie about it, and then accuse the people trying to make sense out of your gaslighting of being bootlickers and sycophants. Now go ahead and accuse me of calling you names, secretly wanting to make passionate love to Chris Getz, all while actually being Chris Getz. Oh, and say that everybody gets to call us names, and lie about our motivations because their baseball team has been bad. Jesus, grow up and stop lying, already.

Teams generally don't grant permission for another team to interview their personnel for lateral hires. They only grant permission for positions that would be a promotion. Teams don't generally hire a GM to run their player development to prove he's had success doing it before.

Was always rooting for a win from the farm system.

Or he'll go the Dylan Cease route - he'll rake for a few weeks in ST, then somebody's CF will get injured.

Fair enough.

You should probably learn the definition of "literally".

It's been pretty widely speculated that the As are spending to hold off a grievance. I'm not sure how that hurts the White Sox.

A person here was blaming Getz for the bad draft picks and international signings while he was head of player development. I'm not sure why I need to enter bizarro world, and start agreeing that something which is demonstrably wrong, is now right, just because. Actually being right and sticking with it is working out just fine for me.

That's part of what I'm implying. Maybe not busts, but a guy like Konnor Pilkington, junk-balling lefty. Nothing really to develop. He was seen as a high floor college guy, kind of like Cannon. Cleveland wanted him, then couldn't do anything with him.

You calling it circular logic doesn't make it so. You're not making any assertions beyond any I make are ridiculous. I really don't know what your point is. If you have one, it would be helpful if you made it. Getz was director of development for 3 years. I've taken the time and laid out the top 3 draft picks from around his tenure. Please tell me where I'm wrong instead of pretending to be floored by the insane stupidity of someone disagreeing with you.

Why do I need to cite success stories? The guys who made it to the major leagues and had any success, somehow, developed himself, whereas, the guys who were drafted with serious flaws, or were 1 dimensional players, those are his failures. He's GM. I'm not sure why you guys keep needing to have this argument. But here's a case in point. Hostetler was demoted or kicked upstairs. He was removed from running the draft. That's clearly a situation where KW/Hahn thought he wasn't doing his job, and they promoted/hired Shirley. Yet Getz was promoted to Asst. GM. So that tells me that the higher ups weren't begging Getz to do his job while he played Tetris on his phone all day every day. They had the capacity to get rid of somebody who underperformed and replaced him with somebody much better. If Getz was f*cking up, so counter to KW/Hahn's expectations, why didn't they remove him? I don't care if "fans believe he's the right guy to oversee" the Sox. He is overseeing the Sox. He has the job. I don't understand why I have to believe nonsense arguments about his constant failing and ruining every single prospect, personally, that came through the system. By your logic, if a person working in a system doesn't get what he wants, he needs to quit at the earliest possible time. That's ludicrous.

Chris Getz isn't blaming anybody. I believe the Sox' structure was such that higher ups were picking managers and coaches based on friendships and nepotism. They were so behind the game that sure, if they got a good 1st round pick, the guy could almost develop himself. I'm not claiming he was a good "leader". But he does seem to have communicated the dysfunction to JR in such a way that he was the last man standing, and was handed the keys. I wasn't rooting for him to be GM. I was actually disappointed, too. But he is GM, and I can either root for his moves to work, or b**** about every single one before it's made. I choose the latter. Thanks for explaining your rationale. I do appreciate that. EDIT*** oops. I choose the former.

Still, you're mocking me for listing out the first 3 picks of each draft around Getz's tenure as director. Which of those players did he not oversee the proper development of? Did he step in and tell coaches to coach him wrong? If nobody had iPads to look up trends and stats on who they're facing, the rest of the league was already ahead of them. If they weren't investing in sleep and nutrition management, they were behind the rest of the league. One of the mods, here is mocking me for suggesting that a previous leadership group shot down new strategies (which had often been suggested by many "insiders"), and Getz got what he wanted by just "asking for it, LOL". Which, yeah, that's how it happens. The GM tells the owner that even though we didn't do this before, we have to. And then the owner okays it. Anyway, did Getz personally rush Madrigal, Crochet and Vaughn? No, the GM or VP did. Did Getz teach Eloy, Yoan, Robert, and Burger that it's better to get injured and not play? I don't think so.

So tell me, do the directors of player development also run the draft and international scouting for those organizations? That's the thing you guys keep tap dancing around. Hostetler was so great at drafting that he was relieved of his duties by the previous GM. Marco Paddy was so great that he just got fired this year. I laid out a pretty simple argument. The White Sox minor league system was woefully behind the rest of baseball in all new development tools and methods. AGAIN - weird that as soon as Getz became GM, he started updating those tools, methods and areas. Are you all saying that he had state of the art tools, and didn't use them so he could get everyone fired and become GM? That's silly. I'm guessing he did what he could with what he had. I'm also guessing that player development isn't all that difficult. That's why it's basically entry level. The director isn't coaching or teaching the players. He's not drafting or signing free agents. He administrates. The high level talent they had, were promoted. Are you saying that John Parke and Blake Battenfield were HOF staff aces that just weren't developed properly? Weird how the same guy did develop guys like Davis Martin, or Jonathan Cannon.

1. The director of player development doesn't make draft picks. 2. If they drafted somebody's 86 year old grandmother, does that mean she can be developed into a top star in the game? I invite you to tell me all the top draft picks Getz was handed, and failed to develop. No, you don't get to mention Andrew Vaughn, who was promoted by the brass after 243 minor league plate appearances. You don't get to mention Garrett Crochet who completely skipped the minors. I took the time to give you a thorough answer. Give me an example of anything besides how angry and lazy you are.

I'm sure if my logic is so flawed, one day you'll be able to point out how. Until then, I'll just grow old. Then die. Then haunt my house for the ensuing 5 or 6 decades.

I'm imagining another internet persona who spends his work day scrolling through SoxTalk to hate on the guy who makes regular, logical arguments for patience.

I'm busy imagining the pitchers he loves being traded because they're in a rebuild, and Crochet would become a free agent well before their competitive window.

Nobody ever said he had "nothing" to do with previous failures. If companies only hired people who never made mistakes, the entire population would be unemployed. Tell me, if you ever had a sh*t job, where the boss obviously ran a bad organization, do you tell that to every potential employer when you interview? "I worked for a fundamentally flawed organization, and I will continue to make the same mistakes they did, so you probably shouldn't hire me." Because, of course, nobody can ever learn from working in a bad system to be able to make it better. LMFAO!!

Minnesota? Byron Buxton just played 102 games this season. The first time he's played more than 100 since 2017. As you imply, that's a failure of development. Dodgers? Half their pitching staff is out at any given time. They have to sign every single free agent because all of the players they "develop" never were developed to not get injured. Athletics?!? Sean Murphy and AJ Puk are the only positive WAR players they've drafted and put on the field in the last decade. That's sure the core of their next World Series winner!! I guess that's what "consistent" means to these kids, nowadays! LOL.

Then you're going to have to tell me about the special coaching methods where players never regress or get injured for the rest of their careers.

And that high end talent graduated to the bigs. Not sure how that's a failure, but .... okay.

I think Getz wants that draft pick. And what we're thinking is too much, just listening to the FutureSox podcast, they brought up there's not many pure CFs on the market, so as Santander and Bellinger shake out, somebody might wind up on the outside looking in, and pull the trigger at close to the price tag.