WestEddy

You don't know that. It's fun to pretend that GMs who didn't make a trade get to project what would have transpired. Nightengale is a hack until he isn't.

Managers, generally aren't worth more than a couple "wins" above average. The thing that struck me is that Grifol sucked talking to the press, and explaining his goals, even after a 3-22 start. Be straight, explain what's going on. Don't babble. I'm guessing that mealy mouthed communication happened in the clubhouse, and made it harder for everyone to follow. Rookies got into his dog house. I'm not sure what happened to Oscar Colas, but nobody was crowing about how Grifol took them under his wing, and brought their game to a new level. As far as lineups, and all, I'm sure Getz just told him to get certain guys more at-bats, even if it meant batting Miguel Vargas first. If Getz was making requests, and they weren't being followed through, that's a reason to launch him, too. This team played a full 7 games under their Pythagorean. So, maybe more than a couple could be on the manager? Not 20.

That's the sentiment I have read a few times, and agree with. I don't know if Getz was asking for the moon and the stars and ran out of time, or whatnot. I hope he gets better making trades.

How about Frazier/Kahnle/Robertson for the hope of Blake Rutherford, Ian Clarkin and Tito Polo. Tyler Clippard was the added insult to injury. Now that they're gone, we can all pretend Kopech is a Cy Young finalist, and Fedde is a perennial 5-WAR pitcher. Of course, people were screaming to trade Kopech for anything, and Fedde was as "peak value". There have been some pretty bad trades in KW's and Hahn's tenures. I'll wait for this one to be bad before declaring it so.

Then why don't you tell us about all this compelling "evidence" against the accuser that surfaced during the MLB investigation?

Also known as - replacing 2 starting pitchers.

Yes, if a victim shows pictures of bruises taken and submitted with a police report and describes an attack under oath as evidence of an assault complaint that would actually end up costing her money, that testimony would probably outweigh a text from Clevinger to his buddy saying, "Dude, that b**** is lying". I don't know what's so hard to understand; MLB did not set out to determine "guilt". They set out to determine if Clevinger crossed the threshold for discipline. If you own a business, and when you come into work one morning, the secretary has been stabbed to death, and your top salesman is holding a knife dripping with blood, you wouldn't conduct an investigation to determine if he's guilty of murder. That's what the police do. You might conduct some due diligence to figure out if he committed a fireable offense. That's what MLB did. It can be true that Mike Clevinger is prone to violent outbursts that target his children and their mothers AND that Clevinger didn't trigger an MLB suspension.

Good luck? What are you even talking about? Do you understand why they have a witness stand in court? Because testimony is evidence. I'm getting the feeling you're playing a bro-dude word game, here. It's not my job to make you acknowledge reality. Nobody said that MLB was "protecting" Clevinger. This all seems to be hitting you in a personal way, because you're not making sense.

Trevor Bauer choked a woman until she passed out, then he beat her up. He also admitted to all of that on a monitored phone call. However, MLB didn't find Bauer "guilty". MLB found that his behavior exceed their threshold for tolerance. People don't want to take their kids to a ball game and have their 7-year-old girl root for a guy who chokes a woman til she passes out, then beats her up. MLB made a business decision with Bauer, just as they did with Clevinger.

Testifying under oath is evidence. Just stop. Are you seriously comparing a guy who abused his child and baby mama with innocent people who were hung for no reason as acts of terrorism? I really don't get why some guys dig in on this. This isn't "bros before hoes". If you don't believe that testifying under oath is evidence, you just blew your weepy "due process" BS out of the water.

Dude, seriously, cut the BS. You also don't know that "by all evidence, he didn't do what he was accused of". By all the evidence, MLB decided they didn't want to pursue further discipline. Clevinger could still be an incredibly selfish and shitty human being, and still not clear the bar for banishment.

Their investigation wasn't about proving Clevinger "guilty". It was to see if his actions exceeded their threshold for discipline.

Too many guys are too comfortable pretending that a victim of abuse testifying under oath isn't evidence.

I agree with most of what you say about the White Sox, but Clevinger is truly a selfish POS. He doesn't deserve "due process". He's not in the criminal justice system. He's had the privilege of playing MLB baseball. He has put his teammates health and well being in danger, at the very minimum. He's also been accused of abusive behavior towards his children and their mothers. And MLB's investigation wasn't conducted to find out if he was "guilty" of what his baby mamas were accusing him of. It was conducted to see if they should suspend him for conduct.

There seems to be a general dissatisfaction across the industry. Lots of bodies for lots of slots.

Tim Anderson's out-of-wedlock baby actually had some of Monty's DNA?

Eloy says the Orioles were short a bat.

Hey, the Tigers and Royals advance. Maybe the Sox were just being throttled by two juggernauts all year. Maybe the Orioles could have used a hitter.

If you DFA him, you're still paying $6 million. If they moved Korey Lee to 1B and gave him 600+ PAs, he'd hit 20 HRs. The more comments I read, the more I look at B-R.com. The more I see there, I am further sold that Vaughn is Gaughn. On top of that, I seriously think the league is suppressing salaries by everyone cutting payroll. In that austere environment, Vaughn needs to be cut to be paid market rate.

Sorry, my response was more tangential. A guy like Marcus Semien probably would have been a bad 2B who hit some, for us. Fully developed in Oakland. I don't think there's any hope for Vaughn here, right now. I don't think there's any hope for him elsewhere, unless some other team decides to give him a swift kick.

Offseason baseball hitting labs exist. Unless Vaughn was being told to stay away from that "voodoo garbage", he had every opportunity to hit the ground running in a position that was clearly going to be handed to him this season. Coming out of the last weekend in May, he looked like a sure DFA.

Grady's banked around $30 million in his career, so I don't think the money's an issue. I agree with Grady taking the opportunity to gain experience, but I never thought Robin Ventura would be a horrible manager. Maybe the organization's so dysfunctional, either the bad decisions start pouring out, or good logic turns to sh*t when the whole team's being jerked around.

I just came back to mention Brandon Belt. Dude sat out all year. His 2023 certainly was better than Josh Bell and Rowdy Tellez. Maybe he's asking for the moon. More realistic is that teams are squelching payrolls in a league effort. If Belt couldn't get paid with what teams were running out there, I doubt Vaughn gets that $6+ million arb.

They could probably DFA both, and Colas/Elko would give them exactly what Vaughn/Sheets did.