vilehoopster

So on last nights Dodger's game thread, Southsider posted this: "The issue is that the average dude out of the back of a ML Bullpen in 2025 throws harder than all of those dudes. In fact, almost every starter in baseball can bring a standard Nolan Ryan 95 mph fastball, or better. The league average is just under 95 today. 20 years ago it was about 90. If we get back to the 1930s when guys were going 300 innings, it was expected to be in the low 80's. A sorry Nick Nastrini dropped into the Babe Ruth era would be the GOAT. It's about effort, not length in 2025. There is a reason no one ever tried to get Usian Bolt to run 9.7 pace for 26 miles, and that is it is impossible. It's the same with starters. If you are going to throw harder, your outings will be shorter." So here's my question about how all the pitchers are throwing so much harder today, and something I remember hearing and reading that seems to be completely forgotten nowadays. But wasn't the reason (somewhat sudden) for the increase in pitchers's speed/ mph not really from the fact that pitchers are throwing that much (any?) harder; but it is that MLB changed from where the pitching speed is being measured. It used to be that pitching ball speed was measured from in front of the plate, but now it is measured from when it leaves the pitcher's hand. I googled it and that is what happened, and the reason why where the ball mph was changed by MLB was to make the measuring more uniform. And some estimate that the ball slows down between 10 or more mph in that 60 feet. I googled it (take that for what you will) So really, by doing that, MLB was maniputating a stat, trying to make it more dramatic under the guise of making the measuring of the stat more uniform; it's the pitching equivilant of juicing the ball or moving in the fences. So really, they're not throwing harder (or that much harder) today. And if Nolan Ryan had had his fastball mph measured out of his hand instead of a few feet in front of home plate, it's a pretty safe bet that he was throwing well over a 100 mph.

Not being one of those who just complain and try to bash Getz, but really having some optimism for the future. I would say (right now, at this very point in their development) in Vargas, Teel, Meidorth, healthy Tauchman, and Quero; that the Sox have five position players better than anyone they had on the entire roster last year (Well, maybe not a healthy Benitendi).

I am not a huge Schriffen fan, but I have to admit, while he was out and McKnight was doing it, I missed Schriffen, missed him (I was surprised). I didn't realize how much I enjoyed his enthusiasm and his being such an optimistic homer (If you know me from this board, you know I'm an optimistic Sox homer). I think his enthusiasm is contagious. Yes, yes it is tough at times to hear him repeat this or that over and over (the Vargas swing change) or his trying to BS us (Michael A. Taylor is a smart veteran). But for me, at least, he makes the game more enjoyable. And I would not have guessed that was the case. On a different topci: and I've said this on here before, I don't get the dislike/ hate for Steve Stone. He just seems so knowledgeable on the game and sometimes he is able predict things to the point where it seems uncanny. It happens over and over, Stone will say something like, "If he throws this pitch outside, he can come inside with the next one and strike him out." And damn if not two pitches later that's what happens, Stoney does that all the time. There was a better example in yesterday's game. Stone complemented Noda on not following the runner on first towards 2nd base on his lead and getting too far from the line. Stone said something like, "A lot of 1st basemen make that mistake." Then two pitches later the batter screamed one towards first, and Noda was right there, three feet from 1st, to get the out. Stone called that exactly and it happened. It just seems he's really good at stuff like that, and I think it always makes him interesting to listen to.

Thanks for starting this thread. I've been wanting to say this. With winning this series, the Sox have made me the happiest that they have in a long time. Back in spring training, the Sox were playing the Giants and there must have only been a Giants feed for me to listen to: so I was listening to the Giants announcers and during the game, these Giants announcers had such a total disdain, contempt for the White Sox players and organization, it was just so obvious and insulting. It's hard for me to remember a solid example of what they were saying, but it was pretty much stuff like, "Well, with an at-bat like that you can see how they had the worst offense in baseball last year." Or stuff like, "They lost 121 last year and with these kinds of plays on defense, you can see how." Or maybe, "The set the record for losses last year and they've done nothing to improve that record for this year" (That topic came up a lot.). It just struck me as incredible that these announcers kept saying stuff like that, and what made me even more angry, is that the Sox, at that time when I tuned in, had a lineup loaded with minor league guys, not their regular guys. So, as soon as I turned it off, I went and looked on the schedule and was glad to see that the Sox were playing the Giants, and I was immediately looking forward to the series. Every time I'd be watching the Sox and a Giants' score would come up, I was looking forward to this series. Well, thank your White Sox for coming through for me and winning this series. As yesterday's game was winding down in the 9th with the Giants' last couple at bats in the 9th, I turned on the Giants radio feed just so I hear those same announcers. It was somewhat satisfying to hear them (they couldn't give the Sox any credit) complain about bad at-bats (ironically) and what a tough week it's been and that the Giants need to turn it around before their next series. So, thank your again for starting this thread so I could point out a little bit of pride for me and our White Sox fans, and one more time complement the team for winning this series against a good team, just a team not as good as their radio announcers would like to think.

He has clearly gone full Moncada and Eloy. Why even fake like you care and you want to play, just say you have a sore hamstring, keep saying it and you can sit out all year and collect your money. But who cares? Even with MAT being the dumbest player the Sox have had in a while, he's still better than Robert. With Vaugh gone, and Sox can pay him off and dump him and the incredible stink of all those under achievers will be gone. Good riddance . ..

This is a good question. Is it Vasil, too soon?

This is a no-risk, no downside signing. The odds of anything coming from it, I have to believe, are very, very small. But we'll see. As has been pointed out, all the young arms are going to become tired out soon. Some very soon as seems the case with Shane Smith. The Sox need people to cover innings. I don't like it, but Clevenger seems like he will be one. So maybe Thor too . . . They're gonna need arms. Has anyone heard anything on Martin Perez? Is there any realistic hope he could be throwing by July? End of July?

I didn't say that these players were great. I said they were great signings, achieving or exceeding what they were signed to do at a very inexpensive cost (a requirement). Don't change or manipulate my words; let's play fair here.

So on your list, you left off Houser. I forgot; is Houser 5 for 5, or 5 for 6 in quality starts since the Sox signed him with that ERA of 2.27? Some one implied earlier that Houser is now of no more value than he was when the Sox signed him. That's ridiculous. He is much more of a commodity than he was when he signed with Sox. Also let's discuss some people on your list. Amaya was exactly what the Sox signed him to be: a strong glove and weak bat who would just hold a place until Colson came up. What the Sox didn't expect is that Meidroth was the one who took over at short for Amaya, not Colson. But again, Amaya was a good signing doing what the Sox expected from him. Over and over again Stater and Tauchman have been great signings for the Sox this year. (Wait I don't see Tauchman on your list of signings. Hmm, it must just be an oversight on your part. Not your manipulating stuff to make your point?) Tauchman, pre-2nd injury was going to get the Sox a great flip, and Slater has done a great job. It could be argued without Slater, the Sox might very well have been swept by Toronto. In 1st win, he scored two runs and knocked in 2 runs. Yesterday, that walk was key, very key. Taylor has also been exactly what the Sox signed him to do. Again, it's ironic that he's actually better than the guy he was signed to backup, so really, he's probably exceeded what the Sox signed him to be. Wait why isn't Shane Smith on this list as an example of the Sox pro scouting. Again, I assume it's just an oversight on your part. Also, what about Mike Vasil? That was a very good (great?) signing. Why isn't he on list? What about Matt Thaiss? He was an excellent signing!! Held a spot in the lineup until until both Teel and Quero were ready to come up, and then the Sox flipped him for a quality prospect. What a great signing. Again, not on your list. Now, of course there are some duds, as you listed above, but if you look at ALL of the signings, you have to be impressed with the Sox pro-scouting/ signings this year. Hopefully your next bit will not have the oversights and omissions when you try to make a point.

A couple things: You guys should realize who are all excited about Baldwin's stats and how well he's hitting down in Charlotte and want to bring him up because he's a hitting machine. Well . . . Jacob Amaya is hitting .464 down in Charlotte (that is true; I looked it up on two different sources), and remember Elko was batting .350. So, big time raking doesn't see too difficult down in Charlotte. On a different point: I don't know if I want to give him an entire season to show what he can do, but I'd like to give Elko, at least, until August. He just has so many positives: He is so athletic (stole the weird base a few nights ago), unlike Vaughn, he can score from 2nd on a single; also, he seems to play a great defensive 1st base; and he has over 30 home runs a season potential. The Sox NEED power soooo badly. Let's see if he can provide some. He had three at bats last night that were just terrible; I admit that is true. But let's not just give up on his potential and say he's a AAAA player yet, or even for a while yet.

So here in Indiana, And when i googled streaming CHSM, I seem to have two choices. Does anyone know if I am correct and these are both legit? One is for a FUBO sports package for $30 a month. The other is just CHSM for White Sox only for $20 a month. Is this second one legit. I would rather just get this. Does anyone have CHSM White Sox only package for $20; does it work?

I like this line up.

I agree with this. Everybody keeps talking about Colson and Ramos coming up. Where are they going to play? You can't sit down Vargas or Meidroth, and I don't think either one has a bat close to as good as Sosa's. I don't know why everyone seems to dismiss Sosa; he's really doing a good job this year with the bat, and I am, at least, as confident in his defense as I am with Colson or Ramos.

I pretty much agree with this proposed lineup, but I not confident in Robert's improvement yet that I want him batting behind Beni. Beni is really getting walked a lot lately because he has no protection. I like Elko and want him playing, but for today, can Slater play 1st (does he play 1st) and bat behind Beni; just for today. But I want as good of a lineup as possible for the next two games, none of our good bats resting yet. They get Monday off. So, no Capra and no Palacious unless situational for today or Sunday.

First of all, you who have been making these statements know who you are,and it's time to admit that you were wrong. Statement 1) This year's Sox are not any better or are not significantly/ noticeably better than last year's Sox. I don't think I need to even put for reasons for this; it is now clearly obvious. Statement 2) Getz should never have signed Slater and Tauchman. When they are on the field, they make the Sox team clearly better, both offensively and defensively. They both make good decisions and do the little things (put down a bunt/ take walks) that set good examples and help the team win. Plus for their value to the team, their price tags are cheap (this is obvious or the Sox would not have signed them). ** The part of the argument against signing them that almost makes me laugh out loud is the idea that baseball is a "young" man's game, and since they're over 30, they're too old, their skills have deserted them, and they're injury prone. This cracks me up because there are probably over 50 players in both the NFL and NBA over 30 doing just fine, and players in those sports put more physical stress on their bodies in 4 minutes of action than a MLB player will in a three game series. **** Since we won last night, let's keep trying to win, and that means put the best players on the field for the entire series. I want to see Tauchman and Slater in the lineup both today and Sunday. Of course get Teel in there and the others, but I don't want to see Capra or Palacious unless it a situational thing. We want to win; play our best players. They get Monday off and can rest then; let's do everything we can to win this series, maybe sweep.

His batting has really, really tailed off. And what Edgar Quero just said with those two mistakes is that it's time for me to return to Charlotte and Kyle Teel to come up.

Just looked at NYC forecast. Even with early start, looks like a better than 50% chance this get rained on or rained out.

"Cannon will start tomorrow. Shane Smith on Wednesday" Yes!!!!!!! Let's have two more strong/ solid starting pitching performances that will be wasted by a terrible offense and a pathetic bullpen!! I can't wait to be an idiot and watch it happen two more times like the last two days. Fired up.

Why do we watch? Why? Everybody on this board KNEW by the mid-6th inning how this game was going to end up. Every single one of us KNEW it. And yet, we kept watching. We are all soooo stupid. God, I wish I wasn't a White Sox fan.

I would say a lot of overreacting on here today. Rojas has been hurt and has not played very much. To give up on him and imply he has no value seems silly. Will he be great? Probably not, but he will be very solid as the season progresses and his batting improves (becomes less bad). I was not happy about Elko going down; and I agree, that pinch hitting for after an HR made no sense. But I think the Sox are far, far from giving up on him. I have to believe that Sox have plans for him at 1st base in the future; he's just showing too much promise to be ignored. I think partly, that he was moved down to allow all of Getz's FA pickups to play, so he can justify their being here, both to Jerry and the fans.

Did Taylor really, literally say anything like "I have not regrets" about that play. Because if he did, I really have a problem with him and him remaining a member of the White Sox.

In yesterday's lineup, the 8 & 9 hitters were Sosa and Rojas. Today, they were Taylor and Capra. That's a huge difference in your last two batters in they lineup. I know Rojas is at .149, but that's a mile better than .073.

This is a terrible loss, terrible. Just like the final game of the Seattle series, winning this game today would have been HUGE, sweep a team that two years ago won the World Series. Instead, another game showing things haven't changed: lose because of the bullpen and dumbass plays in the 9th inning. And, it all starts with Venable putting out a BS lineup for the 3rd game of the series, just like Seattle. Will, QUIT DOING THAT in the 3rd game of a series when the Sox really have a chance to show that things are different this year Now, I fully expect to get swept by the Mets.

Hey, Getz Haters. I think we have to start looking at the very real possibility that the Sox won the Vargas trade. Not broke even, but won. How is Kopech doing for the Dodgers this year. And Fedde, very average. Yeah, a win.

It's to the point where if Robert gets a hit, I'm truely surprised.