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The ratio of Sox are great and world beaters vs I'm a little concerned about this team threads is 20/1. People presenting their thoughts shouldn't bring your enjoyment or topic down, and if you want only positive thoughts spoken about things you like get a life coach.

Maybe some people just don't want to bet against their favorite team? I for one think the under is a decent play but I'd never bet against the sox as baseball is about enjoyment and not profits. I'd rather bet on the things I believe will happen that are good (Tim for MVP and Vaughn for ROY). Why people constantly attack people that don't praise the white sox on this site ill never understand. The organization itself is one of the most embarrassing in all of professional sports when evaluating existence vs wins/titles/playoff appearances. You can enjoy baseball and the team while also accepting that reality. Benefit of the doubt is earned not given.

What's not true? They were outbid at the last minute for his services. I dont need you to tell me what the sox offered him, I posted the literal quote in this thread and you're merely regurgitating the article we all read. Must have missed where you stated any of this prior to the article released talking about it. ? When did I say they negotiated? They were outbid by 100k which I also said. Smh

Yes, they absolutely would have. They were dominate by 18-19 in MLB. It was their talent that made them great not 6 months of organization development.

Sox were set to sign him as an amateur. 1.4 million. "In late October, almost five years to the day before his epic showdown with Cole, Soto flew to Florida for a Dominican Prospect League tournament with dozens of other Latin American teenagers who planned to sign the first day they could, July 2, 2015. Among his teammates: Fernando Tatis Jr., whom the Chicago White Sox would get for $825,000. The White Sox were pursuing Soto as well, willing to give him a $1.4 million signing bonus, and he believed he was likely to agree with them until Oct. 22, the final day of the tournament. DiPuglia and Deric Ladnier, a high-ranking Nationals scout, asked Niche for a private hitting session with Soto in a batting cage at Fort Lauderdale Stadium."

So, it turns out Soto was expecting to sign with the White Sox, paddy wanted him, but at the last minute the Nationals offered and the Sox lost out on him over 100-200k that the cheap group wouldn't pony up for Marcos guy.

It's not semantics. You literally said he played left field frequently; something that there is zero proof of.

Vaughn can't play first base anymore or something?

Played in LF frequently in Schaumburg? What? At most I read he took "some reps" in LF. His primary work was at 1st base since he was a first baseman. He also took "some reps" at third base. He's not a third baseman.

Except this isnt at all the scenario. It's the different between collins bat and Leury vs leury defense vs vaughn. Vaughn bat is in the lineup regardless. People always seem to make outfield out to be some easy position. Guy is slow footed and has never read major league fly balls. It's risky. Im ok with them trying it but it's embarrassing their lack of depth is already hurting them before the season even starts. Eloy got hurt because the sox asked him to do things defensively he's not capable of. There answer is to now put another player in the same exact position that got eloy hurt. And eloy isn't the sox best hitter.

My thoughts on spring training

The goal of spring training for a position player with a lineup spot locked in is to leave spring healthy; literally nothing else matters. "Locking in" for spring training at bats is completely worthless.

Not 2.7 million

Imagine advocating for the Florida way for leadership. Large gatherings doesn't equal more cases. Got it. Thanks for your data. Outdoor events are likely fine, but insinuating that opening indoor venues for mass gathering wouldn't be problematic is hilarious. Now I'm sure mods will delete this post and leave your covid truther nonsense posts you've made multiple times now.

I literally didn't delete anything. Nothing I said was distorted or cherry picked. I pulled all the data for all the years and posted the trend. I'll just go back to pretending your posts don't exist; things work much better that way. I said I don't want to be watching 4 hour games; I never said they were already 4 hours. Reading should be easy for a guy who writes novels every single post he makes.

Go back to ignoring my posts, because reading your posts always hurts my head.

I said I don't want to deal with 4 hour game time averages, not that we're doing it already. Oh, and the average postseason game in 2019 was 3 hours and 38 minutes so they are getting closer and closer when many people actually watch. Now take your condescending nonsense somewhere else.

You stated the people complaining about the game getting longer were media members who don't want to be there (dumb) and then you insinuated that the game hasn't gotten longer but commercials have and that's caused the problem or something. In the early 80's late 70's, games were 2:30 hours. You also apparently struggle with math since you insinuated that commercials and pitching changes caused the change, then showed math that presented those accounted for 17 minutes while game time was up over a half hour. Hmmm Since 1985: I said runs in the late 90's early 2000's were up - which correlated directly to the increase in game time BUT since 2000, runs have trended downward (as I said) until 2018-2019 and game time has continued to move longer and longer. Hence - less action, fewer runs, longer games. You claimed I cherry picked a number, when in fact I selected the number when the run trend began to decline and the game length continued to lengthen. Only recently did runs start to come back up after they livened the baseball again. Now carry on with your pointless "dumbass" posts comments.

yeah, real hard to see: SMH

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Denying that the game is taking longer and has less action is just denying reality. But sure, blame media guys or whatever.

I didnt cherry pick. I'm looking at time per 9 innings. And the trend is up. This isn't hard to see. Year Tms G Time Time/9I Inn Inn% R/G PA/G Pitches/PA Batters/G Pitchers/G PH/G PR/G Batters/S Pitchers/S Attendance Attend/G Lg Payroll* Payroll/Tm* 2020 30 898 3:06 3:07 68 7.57 9.29 74.0 3.97 10.4 4.43 0.65 0.23 20.7 25.7 2019 30 2429 3:10 3:05 208 8.56 9.66 76.8 3.93 10.3 4.41 1.18 0.14 24.9 31.0 68,506,896 28,203 $3,999,827,072 $133,327,569 2018 30 2431 3:04 3:00 216 8.89 8.90 76.1 3.90 10.4 4.36 1.16 0.16 24.7 29.7 69,671,272 28,659 $3,964,096,903 $132,136,563 2017 30 2430 3:08 3:05 182 7.49 9.29 76.2 3.89 10.3 4.22 1.13 0.15 24.2 28.0 72,678,797 29,908 $3,983,892,634 $132,796,421 2016 30 2428 3:04 3:00 185 7.62 8.96 76.0 3.88 10.4 4.15 1.12 0.16 24.2 27.5 73,159,044 30,131 $3,761,011,880 $125,367,062 2015 30 2429 3:00 2:56 212 8.73 8.50 75.6 3.83 10.4 4.11 1.16 0.18 24.5 27.0 73,719,340 30,349 $3,680,887,206 $122,696,240 2014 30 2430 3:07 3:02 232 9.55 8.13 75.7 3.83 10.3 3.98 1.14 0.17 24.8 24.8 73,739,622 30,345 $3,398,869,156 $113,295,638 2013 30 2431 3:04 2:58 243 10.00 8.33 76.0 3.84 10.3 3.95 1.12 0.17 24.5 24.2 74,027,037 30,451 $3,150,727,861 $105,024,262 2012 30 2430 3:00 2:55 192 7.90 8.65 75.8 3.83 10.3 3.99 1.14 0.18 24.7 24.1 74,859,268 30,806 $2,950,092,506 $98,336,416 2011 30 2429 2:56 2:51 237 9.76 8.57 76.3 3.82 10.3 3.86 1.08 0.19 24.5 23.6 73,425,667 30,228 $2,872,256,542 $95,741,884 2010 30 2430 2:54 2:50 220 9.05 8.77 76.3 3.83 10.3 3.87 1.14 0.18 24.0 22.8 73,061,763 30,066 $2,757,480,197 $91,916,006 2009 30 2430 2:55 2:51 195 8.02 9.23 77.0 3.83 10.3 3.93 1.12 0.16 23.7 24.3 73,430,580 30,218 $2,791,645,244 $93,054,841 2008 30 2428 2:55 2:50 208 8.57 9.30 77.3 3.81 10.4 3.92 1.18 0.19 24.5 23.3 78,624,315 32,382 $2,694,090,063 $89,803,002 2007 30 2431 2:55 2:51 220 9.05 9.59 77.6 3.77 10.5 3.97 1.18 0.20 23.9 23.9 79,484,718 32,696 $2,499,198,987 $83,306,632 2006 30 2429 2:51 2:48 185 7.62 9.72 77.4 3.76 10.4 3.85 1.15 0.19 23.8 23.3 76,043,902 31,306 $2,337,874,617 $77,929,153 2005 30 2431 2:49 2:46 182 7.49 9.18 76.6 3.74 10.4 3.71 1.16 0.18 23.5 21.8 74,915,268 30,816 $2,189,013,398 $72,967,113

The avg length of a game in 2005 was 2:46. In 2019 it was 3:10 minutes. One huge piece of the puzzle you're missing here is scoring is down from the late 90's substantially. More scoring equals more time. There's one less run scored per game in 2020 than there was in 2000. The avg length of a game last year was 3 hours and 7 minutes and the avg innings played per game was 7.57. Anyway you slice it baseball games are getting longer with less action. Games may have been close to as long in 2000 because there was a lot more offense. Now offense is down, pitchers used per game is up almost 1 full pitcher per team, and game length is up. I'm not a member of the media. I watch a ton of baseball. For the amount of scoring and action games are getting way too long.