Look at Ray Ray Run

His stuff just isn't very good. One avg pitch and 4 well below avg pitches. K/bb of 1.56. Weird how his stuff has taken a step back and with this stuff he's not long for MLB.

Seattle is really far from everyone and Detroit is Detroit. I was shocked Cleveland had positives.

Cleary they didn't ask Josh Barfield his opinion and those 31 players weren't privy to Getz vision.

You know who helped build up the farm system as the director of operations there and then the VP of player development between 1995-2000? Kenny Williams. Again, him and Getz are nothing alike. Kenny earned his promotion, then proceeded to win 10 out of 13 years with one title. Getz failed upward and has overseen two historically bad White Sox teams. Going back to another thread where I admitted my past wrongs to Kenny: "Kenny Williams wasn't the best GM in baseball, but he was a guy who put a competitive product on the field nearly every year for over a decade. He would have made the playoffs nearly 50% of his seasons under the new format, and truly only had one atrocious season."

I wouldn't be happy at all. Using data poorly isn't something to be proud of. Amazing how you find bad things to say about everyone but the guy who led the worst team in MLB history. You mocking winning games explains your love affair with Getz though.

Kenny Williams had 3 losing seasons in 13 years as GM and the most games he ever lost was 90. His other two losing seasons had 79 wins. It's not even close.

This isnt what you or Harold said. You implied he can't start because of his extension and singled out Glasnow as an example to support the point, as did Brian. That was noise at best and nonsense at worst. No one "looking at the data" would conclude that and a sample size of 5 certainly shouldn't be moving anyone from a predictive perspective.

Yes, wheeler is the example 1A of why predicting injuries is complete nonsense. And everyone gets hurt now. Gilbert and Wheeler are on positive-side tale of injury/IP in the top 8 in the league since Gilbert entered the league.

Kenny Williams was 1000 times the GM Getz is. No idea how anyone could argue otherwise.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/percentile-rankings?type=pitcher&year=2024&team=&sort=17&sortDir=desc

Please, what's the correlation coefficient between extension and injuries. How are you normalizing for all the other variables? Anyone who says they can predict pitching injuries based on something as simple as extension is a liar. Period. Editing to add: Guys who have started with elite extension (95+) since 2020: Freddy peralta, Brent suter, Blake snell, wheeler, manaea, David peterson, gilbert, glasnow, Ober, whitlock, falter, Megill, gavin williams, crochet, pablo Lopez, arrighetti. A collection of non-unique arms as it relates to injury outcomes vs expected (comparing their ratio of time on IL and time off vs league average).

So we're citing glasnow who is 6'8 in our original example but limiting the sample you give to guys who are 6'3 or less so guys like Gilbert don't count. Interesting logic. Is this what the analytics team at the Sox are drawing up these days?

You know who else has elite extension? Logan Gilbert and Zach Wheeler. Two of the most durable arms in the game the past 4-5 years. Let's not cherry pick guys who got hurt to say Grant would too.

Really disappointing if he's pigeonholed as a reliever.

The AL Central is bad? Best division in baseball so far.

Cannon, Burke and Martin aren't the foundation of anything. No rotation is above average with those 3 in it.

I've got a much better track record with pitching than hitting in my baseball modeling/following life. I win/compete in NFBC, and I've done so almost strictly by dominating pitching projections/growth. Which leads to my perceived optimism in the past; the White Sox had some great arms come through the organization. Their future was really bright. The all-white sox rotation would be the best rotation in baseball. Sadly they had no position player depth and their top prospects got hurt and/or busted out on the positional side, and they traded all their arms. I still consider myself an optimist, because what's the point of fanhood if you can't dream about what's possible, but I have no idea how people are finding any silver lining with this organization. The actual most concerning thing about the White Sox in 2025 is pretty much every pitching prospect has taken a step back and some of them significantly.

I don't post anywhere near everyday. I don't post only negative things in the least bit. It's been said many times before, but I'm a large fan of baseball itself who is also a White Sox fan. I don't need hope to continue watching baseball. I'm objectively speaking of the White Sox and their future.

The Bears are a train wreck and yet they're about 1 trillion times better run than the White Sox. They even had their own Tony La Russa in Bill Polian, but they didn't actually give the Dinosaur Polian any power. The White Sox are legitimately one of the three worst run professional organizations in sports. I'm now even more confused that you're claiming to be someone who won't tolerate ineptitude and will simply stop watching yet you're a huge White Sox supporter.

"Very positive" about the direction. You honestly have to be completely delusional to feel "very positive" after the worst season in MLB history followed up by a season with a 106 loss pace in which you're the worst team in your league. I get called an optimist with the White Sox in my personal circle, and while I'm surrounded by sports curmudgeons, I still consider myself pretty optimistic. I like Meidroth (bet on him to win ROY! given his steamer projections, but sadly Jacob Wilson is a machine), I LIKED Vargas when he was bad so I still like Vargas, and Teel seems like he'll be a nice piece but still TBD. I'm also probably one of the biggest Sosa fans alive (not just on the board) and I think the kid can be an average regular if you give him the AB's and opportunity. On the pitching side, after Shane Smith the White Sox have nothing. And while I like the guys above, I don't think any of them have a 6-8 WAR ceiling. Compared to last year when they had like two big leaguers on the roster, is it an improvement? Sure! Most teams field entire rosters of big league players though, and the Sox aren't even half way to that benchmark. Edit: I think some of the optimism comes from people who just watch White Sox baseball. Their baseline is White Sox baseball. As someone who consumes a lot of baseball from many other teams year round, it's much more apparent that the Sox aren't something to be optimistic about. They need EVERYTHING to go right and every prospect to hit just to be competitive. The odds of that are next to zero.

Let's not sell our boys short, 106 losses is still historically bad. It's just not the most historically bad year like last year.

They're on pace for the 22nd most losses in modern mlb history.

Ptac, who was here saying they were going to break their how record? Obviously they weren't going to be as bad as last year, but they're still absolutely awful. Certainly not worthy of gloating or I told you soing anyone.

I'm so confused by the chest pumping. The Sox have twice as many losses as wins and the worst record in the AL.

I think you're using the wrong word. They're certainly not "manipulated" but there is creative accounting but mostly that creative accounting would be over representing costs not under. So I'd argue that braves number is a pretty good reference point in my opinion. Certainly better than that trash Forbes numbers. And overrepresenting doesn't mean it's wrong either.