Look at Ray Ray Run

Trading for a guy and then signing him to FA money or trading for a mega-FA contract is the same thing as signing a FA. The Yankees and Dodgers and etc do those things AND they sign big FA. The days of buying a contender has never been louder. Money spent has never correlated with wins more but you proclaim it's over. Amazing.

46 shaking in his boots. Guy apologizing the Kyle faster than he defends a Chris Getz move!!!!

I found both my comments pretty funny.

I know nothing about Will Venable as a manager, so this is absolutely a fair take and one I align with. I think Getz hiring him works against him but I liked Bannister before Getz brought him on board so not everyone Chris hires is an idiot.

Yeah, just look at the final four teams. Only the top 3 in salary made the Championship Series. Not all 4! Take that you spending money noobs!

A rebuild? Are you brain dead? You know for the first 25ish years of my memorable life the Sox never went into a season trying to not win. I complained occasionally about September collapses, the twins owning us, the Indians crushing our hopes late in the year, but i was always engaged. An 82 win team is a thousand times more enjoyable than any rebuilding season. The fact that you think rebuilding again is OK is hilarious. Defending the White Sox spending at the bottom of the league for like 6 of the past 10 years... The best part. You're so delusional that you compare the Sox "rebuild" to Houston. The White Sox aren't rebuilding. Calling this a rebuild is hilarious. Trading any talent you do have continually for younger talent that's uncertain doesn't guarantee anything but a low payroll.

Easier to take it out of my own ass than for you to take it out of Getz' ass.

What has Ethan Katz done?

I'd be fine with your dumbass managing this team. That's how little a manager matters to a team void of talent and hope. I don't pay to watch Will make pitching changes and post a lineup but maybe that's your thing.

They should be trying to win games every year. The fact they fans have lost site of that is fascinating. Embarrassing too.

Imagine being OK with a GM saying we're going to be horrible for at least my first 3 years. So bad that conversations of moving and etc come into the world. Then imagine celebrating a move that guy made. I have no interest in watching this team tank and pocket cash for another three years. You know what would change the fucking narrative? Signing Juan Soto given the zero payroll obligations. Pretending that Chris Getz is turning the tides because he got some manager here is laughable.

Oh, got it. The guy who just lost 120+ games after turning over a roster he didn't like should be trusted to turn the org around.

The team that told everyone they are slashing payroll again, after a historically bad season, is serious about winning because they hired a manager with zero managerial experience who adds very little value because managers add very little value? It's amazing how low some of you have sunk in the world of expectations.

This isn't at all how it happened. Getz was also involved in the initial hire.

Maybe. I have no idea if Venable is a good manager or good at developing young players and the person evaluating that ability... told me Pedro Grifol was sharp. People here hated Renteria but he was actually good at those things.

White Sox aren't going to get back to mediocrity with a managerial hire.

All that said, hire is meaningless as said earlier. Who cares who the manager is for a historically inept franchise.

But eberflus is a horrible coach and holding the team back.

Venable the hire

You cited things at the end of your paragraph that are more valuable than analytics/data when those things themselves are valuable because of the analytical outputs they derive.

Amazing what you think analyst's do.

This is an industry-wide problem and not at all unique to the White Sox. Professional sports in general pay less for the same roles, and still have a lot of unpaid or low-paid entry level jobs required to get your foot in the door. This basically gatekeeps the industry to only people who come from money because people who don't, can't afford to eat s%*# for 10 years in hopes of making one of the few properly paid jobs. Analytics is one of the craziest examples of this. Why would you be a quant in baseball unless you loved baseball and were rich already? You make about half of what other industries would pay you, and the job security is complete garbage. There are a few teams that are more competitive but they still bank on the value of "working in baseball" when they send out offers.

For free? Oh wow, honorable!

Correct. And when I say combined, I don't mean they shouldn't work together. I mean someone like Bannister shouldn't be identifying players to acquire that he can maximize. It's not his job or his skill. When you allow the developers to be the shot callers, you don't protect development from its own short comings, and confirmation bias that has gotten them here. "Every guy I've gotten like this before I turned into a stud" they may think, but the key was that before they weren't the ones identifying that player and his given fit, they were given a player and got the most out of them. While these teams/segments need to understand each other inside and out, the influence they have should be mostly siloed. For example, PE may say we're loving this guy, is there any hard stop we're missing but PD should never be able to sway an actual opinion (beyond the initial understanding of the players fit with your PDs strength) on that initial evaluation and they shouldn't be the ones that trigger the deep dive. I'd argue the GMs job is to understand the strength of both and find the fits.

Player evaluation (PE) and player development (PD)