Look at Ray Ray Run

Belle literally couldn't have worked out any better.

Eh, hawk would have been 1000 times worse. Guy would go innings without talking. Hawk is a depressing announcer when they're really bad.

Well said. Last year I tuned in less than ever but I still followed everyday. I'm just not going to invest 3 hours a day 162 days a year on someone who isnt investing in winning yet. I'll still follow but I'm not recording games anymore and watching later. I will again one day, just not now.

Theres a massive difference between your rookie year and 2nd year in the NBA.

But theyre not a fan anymore so who cares? People who feel the need to post that they're not a fan of the team anymore on a forum of the teams fans because they didnt get what they want is the definition of a child.

It's ironic because most die hard fans ridicule the casual fan for being a fair weather fan... yet the die hard fans are quitting the fanbase because the Sox didnt sign someone who has never been on the Sox before. I said it before but this isnt even the 3rd worst thing that has happened being a sox fan since 1994. Sox finally rebuild and sign international talent to big money deals and everyone is going to quit when things start looking up because they fucked up signing machado because Jerry is a stingy dolt.

By the same metric used to define Sexton, Wendell Carter is the 60th of 65 centers in the entire NBA. I don't have him rated that poorly but you really dont think Wendell Carter's are available every year? Agree to disagree there. Center the weakest position in the NBA at the bottom too.

The triple was almost more impressive. Who needs machado or Harper when you have the next mays?

Yeah, wouldnt change a thing but I dont think most baseball fans know how good Cameron was - 50+ career WAR.

Just needs his hit tool to catch up with everything else but the kid is so gifted idk see how it doesnt. The amazing thing is even if the hit tool doesnt come around, hes Mike Cameron with more raw power. Cameron had a hell of a big league career.

He was pretty worn down at the end of the year. Most elite base stealers are much worse in the second half than first - especially little guys. Look at Altuves splits. Being a ++ runner has more to do with first to third instincts and taking the extra base. Instincts wise the kid was incredible at Oregon state. I think he'll be good there. He's a smart kid but his legs will wear down faster for sure.

Luis Robert has the loudest set of tools I've ever seen. His speed is truly mind blowing given his size.

Hmmm so the Dodgers didnt offer 10 years. Who knew?

He's on a horrible team with no support. He's a talented kid. the point is Wendell Carter's are available every year. Jmo. I don't know what Sexton will become but I'm pretty confident in saying what Wendell Carter can become.

I never once said Colin Sexton has been a good player so far but his ceiling is about 10 floors higher than Wendell Carter Jr. That was my point. Sexton has struggled mightily but he also has shown flashes of talent that Wendell Carter has not.

Another wonderful addition the to thread. If you want to refute me with facts and stats and etc go right ahead My trash NBA thoughts have made me quite a bit of money so I'll take that trash all day. Nothing better than people just saying something is trash without explaining why or refuting a claim. When I start calling people names and getting personal instead of addressing the post and refuting it logically let me know- at that point I will have lost.

Ok. Great conversation and input from you in this thread. Glad I took the time to address your point. Colin Sexton fits the modern NBA game. He may bust out and never be able to run an offense at a high level, but Wendell Carter is not good and has a very limited ceiling.

He was a 2.2 WAR player as a 24 year old. 1.7 last year. Yolmer could have a couple 3 WAR seasons if he could improve his offense just a little. He's a better player than rondon imo. And he has a chance to be a above average everyday starter.

Not being the worst defender in the NBA (Kanter) isn't really something to hang your hat on.

This was the question. Where does it say just evaluate their drafting? This also says the Bulls have a nice core, which just isn't accurate. The Bulls have zero stars in a league driven by stars. I commented that they haven't drafted well in a decade either - you said 8 years. Sorry for being off by 2 years. ?

Well he's certainly over matched defensively - which is what I said.

You're hanging your hat on Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah - Rose doesn't count. Those guys were a decade ago. They also drafted Aldridge and traded him for Tyrus Thomas. They had a nice 3 years run with the guys listed above, but that's it.

Ok, so they haven't drafted well in 8 years. Year Round Pick Name Nationality College/HS/club 2018 1 7 Wendell Carter United States Duke University 2018 1 22 Chandler Hutchison United States Boise State University 2017 1 16 Justin Patton United States Creighton University 2017 2 38 Jordan Bell United States University of Oregon 2016 1 14 Denzel Valentine United States Michigan State University 2016 2 48 Paul Zipser Germany Bayern Munich (Germany) 2015 1 22 Bobby Portis United States University of Arkansas 2014 1 16 Jusuf Nurkić Bosnia and Herzegovina Cedevita Zagreb (Croatia) 2014 1 19 Gary Harris United States Michigan State University 2014 2 49 Cameron Bairstow Australia University of New Mexico 2013 1 20 Tony Snell United States University of New Mexico 2013 2 49 Erik Murphy United States Finland University of Florida 2012 1 29 Marquis Teague United States University of Kentucky 2011 1 28 Norris Cole United States Cleveland State University Markannen was drafted ahead of Donovan Mitchell and there's nothing that says Lauri Markannen is a good (key word) basketball player right now. I have Markkannen rated as the 92nd best player in the NBA this year in terms of overall efficiency. I see him anywhere from 75-100 in other publicly available player efficiency ratings. Wendell Carter plays a style of basketball that no longer fits in the NBA in regards to drafting 7th overall. They should have drafted Sexton - you draft for ceilings in the top 10, nothing else. Accumulators exist in the NBA - someone has to put up numbers on bad basketball teams. I call this the Kevin Love syndrome - Love was a 3rd option on a really good team, but as the #1 option on bad teams his numbers looked super star like but Kevin Love was not a superstar by any means. The best players the Bulls have drafted since 2011 were not even drafted by the Bulls - Harris and Nurkic. They felt the need to trade those spots for Doug McDermott. I have no idea how Lauri Markannen is "very good." Could he figure it out? Sure. But he's soft in the paint and over matched every night. His defensive ratings are about as bad as it gets. Now last month Markannen was good - no denying that - but it was his best month as a pro. I hope Markannen turns into a star, but he's not one yet and there are a lot of holes in his game still and accumulating big numbers on a bad team just doesn't prove anything. When you put up big numbers that impact the game, that's when things matter.

I'm a Marquette fan, so I was certainly a Jimmy Butler fan, but I tend to always be fans of players and not front offices - weird how that works huh? The Bulls also treated Derrick Rose like complete and utter garbage. The dysfunction with how they handled the Rose injuries was embarrassing to a level the Sox will never achieve. You want to know why stars don't go to the Bulls? Because they treat players like garbage. They almost literally killed Luol Deng, and then treated him like garbage following that ordeal. It's the Bulls MO.