Look at Ray Ray Run

Every pitcher has missed time for something at this point so that stat is pretty misleading imo. What is the injury percentage to start with? If you're saying any arm injury during a career as a pitcher, it's gotta be in the 70s at this point. So is reoccurrence even increased over initial injury rates? Arms can either handle the strain or they can't. It's an unnatural motion. I will forever believe, barring analysis to the contrary, that some can handle it and some can't and beyond that it's just year to year noise. Imo, we don't know if crochet can handle it or not as he's a completely different pitcher with different mechanics, and a different build. He's just as likely as the next guy. Are you arguing there's degrees of probability? Id certainly love to see the breakdown.

Market value. Sox have nothing on the book. I'd give him a 6 year extension, buy out 4 FA years with a team option on 7. Give him 120 for the FA years with 30 mill option and projected Arb numbers for next two. Basically values out around the rodon contract.

They should extend crochet. I grew up a fan of a team that kept the majority of their star players at least through a 2nd contract. This new way the Sox operate is incredibly depressing. Crochet is a generational talent, and as fans we determine which year is best to trade him... not me.

Agree, with some discipline and support around him in the lineup. Robert is going to help carry whoever acquires him for some period of time.

Yeah, incredibly disappointed it looks like they're moving him. Whatever they get back, it won't be enough.

I would laugh in every gms face if they tried to talk down Crochet. He's a unicorn and everyone knows it. You're getting him for 2 1/2 years too. He could be the best pitcher, or top 3 on the less optimistic side, in baseball next year; only thing holding him back this year is innings. Crochet will continue to develop, would bet another pitch makes it's way into the arsenal at some point.

Injuries themselves are not predictive to the point of being projectable, meaning they're just noise and each opinion is as good as the next. I'd actually argue his prior IP is a good thing. I've used this example a few times here already, but it's what I loved about wheeler going into FA. Limited innings and a TJ out of the way is a damn good thing. Wheeler was always hurt in his early 20s and never hurt in his 30s. Crochet has never been hurt because of endurance issues. There's no prior history of durability challenges caused by usage. To me that means there's nothing to substantiate the idea that his arm is at risk any more than the next guy as innings go up. Limiting innings has promoted effort increases. They're directly correlated. Garrett has a lot of innings left on that arm.

Sure, but not a lot of data supporting the conclusions of his employers.

The Dodgers don't even have enough to get crochet alone imo. They just don't match up well.

I have no idea what he's conditioned for. What I know for certain is that ever since we started managing innings, injuries are up.

The sox just added like 2 MPH yoy organizationally. This happened as well for the Astros a few years back and some other teams. There are absolutely ways to add velocity.

This is a fine angle, just probably need to develop a non-big lefty starter one of these days.

It's not that I think smith won't be good, it's that this org needs to do something else to actually become successful.

Most pros today at that level have their own developmental coaches and etc.

Exact opposite. Sox aren't in a position to draft to development strength over org needs. Would have liked any of the three position players there.

oh wow, so Fedde is worth more than Norby and Beavers?

So now we're looking at a starters last three starts? Got it.

If you took away cease two worst starts this year: 3.35 ERA/2.90 FIP Pretty damn good, eh?

Crochet is a unicorn. Cease is a really nice #2/3. Said elsewhere but CF is currently the weakest offensive position in baseball. Robert Is a huge upgrade for a team there.

Mets are in a wildcard race. I'd give anything to be the Mets right now.

Ray doesn't really belong on that list but yes, Ray was great. He was also 29 when he did that.

None of these pitchers were doing anywhere near what garrett crochet is doing.

Lol what?

The insane thing about crochet is he's just smashing with his fastball. Guy has legit room to grow and he's already the best in the business. Plus, didn't waste a bunch of innings in his youth because he was banged up. He's a little over the top from a shoulder perspective but guys either make it or not. At 27, wheeler was a huge injury risk. At 34, he's the most reliable and dependable stud arm in the game. Baseball is funny.

Wouldn't move for cease. Crochet is a 1-1 candidate with control.