Look at Ray Ray Run

Honestly, if you and the White Sox truly believe his stuff is the same then there is much more reason to worry. From my perspective, I'm not seeing that at all so I'm less worried as I think this is the outcome of tinkering that frankly didn't need to occur. Sometimes, it's best to let great ride for as long as the tank allows for it. And adjusting for fatigue? Come on.... he's thrown 68 innings. What weight are you adding to account for the "fatigue." Lastly, command is 35-45% (depending on the model/who you ask) of stuff quality. So saying it's just command is like saying someones fastball just lost 4 MPH. Losing command is as detrimental to development as losing velo or spin.

He certainly doesnt deserve to be in the big leagues, and yes ive read about their "changes." I've also read them claim the quality of stuff hasn't changed which is a flat out lie.

Yeah, im not worried about blocking anyone. Talent forces the issue on it's own. None of the arms you listed are worthy of limiting your acquisitions. In fact, the big three coming into this season of schultz/Taylor and Smith have all flopped as starters so far this season. Its been by far the most disappointing part of the season in my opinion.

Excuses for me? Lol Pal, get it together. None of this is that serious.

Schultz is avg 4.8 bb per 9 with nearly a 5 era and a significant reduction in his stuff quality regardless of what getz says. There's not a pitcher on that list that should prevent you from signing genuine mlb starters.

I've got to say, this would be insane. Edit: Saw everyone else said it. If Houser finishes the year relatively strong and doesn't balloon, I wouldn't be shocked to see him net 1/15 or 2/30. I don't see a three year guarantee or hitting the 20 million ceiling. He was just released and acquired for free 2 months ago. The league won't suddenly value him in that way.

I don't think people realize how cheap this is relative to the payroll. The White Sox could merely pay market value (which would be well above the rest of baseball who pays under market and sells "experience"), establish a team of roughly 50-100 analysts, MLops and Data Engineers, scouts, specialists, etc at market rates and supply them with all the equipment and you're still only talking about 10-20 millionish dollars probably. I'd argue that's a high-side estimate though. The Sox should do that regardless. This is what it costs to run a baseball team. 100 would probably be too many/overkill given that it's only a 2 billion dollar organization, but if you want to be the best. So what are you doing with the other 80-90 million?

Appreciate the insights into their thought process. I am probably nitpicking, but I just wish it wasn't portrayed as the right choice in the paraphrasing done. For example, if you passed on drafting a bat because you didn't have Ryan Fuller... how could we not be asking "but didn't you already PLAN on having the hitting instruction built out when you were drafting last year, so why would you allow your poor infrastructure that you were rebuilding to influence your future plans? Shouldn't you be selecting based on where you want to be, and not based on the past failures?" That's what I thought of reading through the post.

Make it make sense.

Hagen Smith also needed a significant mechanical overhaul. Green sox point was claiming the Sox took the clear BPA is BS. Every single amateur requires development and change.

Yes, Im aware of his journey. Hence why I said the Sox had no time to actually "fix" houser. Housers change happened in the offseason and they saw the change in stuff quality when scouting him and brought him on. It was a scouting win, but certainly not some mechanical overhaul.

There was literally zero time for the Sox to work with and fix houser. Identifying the stuff change that occurred in the offseason was the value here, not developing/changing houser.

I dont think anyone thinks hes a 1.56 ERA guy but his FIP is 3.12 a s xERA is 3.65. Most importantly though, he pitches deep into games which is a rare commodity these days.

No idea what this means.

If you want to take advantage of the deferred comp loop hole you better do it now.

I'd sign Woodruff and Valdez for the rotation. Figuring wood is going to be cheaper given the injury history. Framber expensive. Offensively I'd sign Tucker and Schwarber. Depending on price, I'd be looking at Bichette and Trent Grisham as well. That might be a little more than 100 million (all 6 certainly would be) but I think with deferred money it's very doable to get close to 100 million. Tucker's price the real wildcard. If no Tucker, give me everyone else I listed and I'll still have money to play.

Problem is the adjustment for him is hitting the ball harder, which is tough!

Nice call, dumb ass. I get 'em wrong plenty, but this was an all-time miss. Houser has looked really good, and not smoke and mirrors either.

He's also by far the most talented of the group. I don't like to see talent like his wasted. Baseball is such a mental game that environment matters more than other sports imo. With the exception being NFL QB.

I truly do think he's the number 1 change of scenery candidate of all the guys that busted out over the past few years. If I were A GM, Robert would be an awesome wildcard to acquire because he could flat out carry.

To be clear, Robert has been a major disappointment and stinks. A 108 wRC+ as a CF with + defense and base running is a 4 WAR player. Far from sucking. That doesn't change the fact that he's a lost player now who is in between and looking like he'll never come out of it.

It makes his skill set more volatile, and much more likely to fall off a cliff at some point, but players sustaining success at those levels isn't uncommon for the first 5-6 years of their career. It seems to be a challenge post-30 though. As for Defense, Sosa just does really dumb things that enrage a fan more. By most metrics, Sosa has been the better defender but he is a bit of a bonehead sometimes.

So being a worker who organizes to increase bargaining power and make things more even makes one a grifter... then what are business owners?

I agree with letting them play, but the cornerstone of the offense today being worth 1.5 fWAR is far from a tremendous win IMO. Also, baseball is a streaky game naturally. You really can't just cherry pick the peak periods and say that's the ability. That's the same stuff that tricked people with Vaughn. Almost everyone in the big leagues can get hot and carry teams.. Chris Shelton mania. I said at the beginning of the year that Vargas would justify himself as an everyday MLB starter. Which I think he's really close to doing but he certainly hasn't proven it yet. His xwOBA is in the 35th percentile, and he's an average (at best) fielder and base runner. He also has 831 career MLB AB's so I think we're really reaching talking about his first season. Edit: The fact that no one here would talk about Sosa the way they're talking about Vargas says a lot, given that they've been basically the same player from a value perspective despite SOsa having 100 fewer AB's.

And he's 3rd in fWAR.