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And this is why Jerry was a no vote on Cohen, prefers collusion over competing.
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Sorry, not in the budget. You'll get Leury, and like it. These were my expectations coming into the offseason (what I expected, not what I wanted), and each day they become closer to fruition. 2B Josh Harrison / Jose Iglesias RF Sheets/Vaughn Util Leury Garcia RP Tepera or Equivalent (Graveman takes this slot, though they may sign Tepera or one more, especially if they dump Kimbrel for prospects) SP Duffy/Wacha/Pineda $7M-$8M Over The Hill Type (perhaps 42 year old Rich Hill) Trade Kimbrel for prospect(s) and/or low-leverage RP Predicted payroll increase to the $160M-$170M range. White Sox Baseball - Broke Since 1901
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
South Side Hit Men replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Correct, the Over The Hill Gang are far more expensive than Alonso or Jay, where were just fillers. There are much better ways to spend $300M, then again this is Hahn we are talking about. Still here $74M Keuchel Ages 32-35 0-1 8.10 ERA, so bad left off roster in 2021 $73M Grandal Ages 31-34 .605 OPS vs. Houston, coming off of two knee surgeries $52M Hendriks Ages 32-35 The one deal which may work out, significantly lower AAV of the group $47M Lynn Age 34-36 0-1 12.27 ERA, knee surgery TBD $21M Kimbrel Ages 33-34 9.00 ERA, unnecessary option pickup, lost Heuer and Madrigal as well for this crap Thankfully gone $12M Encarnacion Age 37 .000 OPS vs. Oakland $8M Eaton Age 32 Cut in July $5M Gonzalez Age 35 No soup playoffs for you Paying guys top dollar at the end of their career is not the way to build a "multi-championship" team. -
2022 Offseason Plan Thread
South Side Hit Men replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
"You can't spend a dollar if you have only 50 cents." It's not "half-assed", it's half-funded. Not impressed in the "over-the-hill gang" additions Hahn assembled the past two years. -
Not to mention belligerent and arrogant to those not accepting their $200M plus payroll scenarios. They already significantly bumped payroll with Lynn, Grandal, Abreu, Kimbrel, Hendriks and Keuchel.
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Updated through 4PM reporting: Crowdsourced or final AAV per projected 2022 fWAR (Limited to the 34 FAs with a 2.0 or higher projected fWAR): https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker?&pos=all Fan Graphs Top 50 FA Rank ; $ = 2022 fWAR / AAV; (Age / #AAV Years) 1B (2/1): 5. F. Freeman $5.1M (32 5); 29. A. Rizzo $6,4M (32 3); 28. B. Belt $8.8M (34 1). 2B/SS (2): 3. M. Semien $5.6M (31 4); 12. J. Baez $10.0M (29 4). SS (3): 1. C. Correa $5.8M (27 8); 2. C. Seager $6.1M (28 7); 10. T. Story $6.9M (29 6). 3B (1): 30. K. Seager $6.0M (34 2). OF (6/2): 21. A. Garcia $4.1M (31 2); T. Pham $4.5M (34 2); 20. K. Schwarber $5.8M (29 4); 23. M. Canha $6.0M (33 2); 9. S. Marte $6.3M (33 4); 22. M. Conforto (29 1); $6.8M; 11. N. Castellanos $7.6M (30 4); 6. K. Bryant $9.3M (30 6). SP (11/6): J. Quintana $0.9M (33 1); A. Wood $4.0M (31 3); 31. S. Matz $4.4M (31 4); 13. E. Rodriguez $4.4M (29 5); 38. A. Cobb $4.6M (34 2); 17. C. Rodon $4.7M (29 4); 7. R. Ray $4.9M (30 4); D. Duffy $5.0M (33 2); 36. A. DeSclafani $5.2M (32 3); 14. K. Gausman $5.3M (31 4); 50. Y. Kikuchi $6.0M (31 1); 32. J. Gray $6.3M (30 3); 19. J. Verlander $6.9M (39 2); 8. M. Stroman $6.9M (31 4); 4. M. Scherzer $7.3M (37 3); 18. C. Kershaw $8.4M (34 4); 15. N. Syndergaard $9.1M (29 1). White Sox Budgetary Possibilities: Saint Charles Place - Virginia Danny Duffy; Yan Gomes; Andrew McCutchen; Martin Perez; Joc Peterson; Tommy Pham; Eddie Rosario. Jail Yasiel Puig. Oriental - Connecticut Dylan Bundy; Corey Dickerson; Leury Garcia; Brett Gardner; J. A. Happ; Josh Harrison; Cesar Hernandez; Donovan Solano; Johnathan Villar. Mediterranean / Baltic Trevor Cahill; Kole Calhoun; Matt Duffy; Matt Harvey; Kevin Pillar; Vince Velasquez.
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$175M per Jeff Passan.
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Players and agents aren't looking to screw themselves and settle for $85M when they can sign for $70M-$100M + more? Plus he has no state income tax to deal with, so another 5% + bump.
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Sox will be riding the wave before Spring Training.
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Illinois High School Football Thread
South Side Hit Men replied to Y2Jimmy0's topic in Alex’s Olde Tyme Sports Pub
We had Fresh/Soph practice at 5:30 AM each morning during swim season (Saint Patrick H.S.). Swim Season is held in the Winter (Nov - Feb). It was brutal. -
Would go to Hahn's house and rake his leaves if he is able to snag McNeil (first Arb eligible this Winter) for Kimbrel or Keuchel, and spend the difference wisely.
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I like 8 Pound 6 Ounce Baby Kimbrel more so than the current version. Second option would be the kid imitating on the aisle. Both $21M less than what the Sox spent, not to mention Heuer and Madrigal. Shake and Bake!
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Kendall Graveman agrees to deal w/Sox 3/$24
South Side Hit Men replied to Kyyle23's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Clicked the Fire button, but have to accentuate this rating with a YouTube video. Hahn is going to Hahn, he can do no other. The Crazy World of White Sox Baseball. -
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"I'll see all you all next February." - Josh Harrison
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Updated for the two OF signings, Marte slightly higher AAV than anticipated, Canha 1/3 higher than anticipated, both for the predicted terms (4 and 2, respectively). Crowdsourced or final AAV per projected 2022 fWAR (Limited to the 34 FAs with a 2.0 or higher projected fWAR): https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker?&pos=all Fan Graphs Top 50 FA Rank ; $ = 2022 fWAR / AAV; (Age / #AAV Years) 1B (2/1): 5. F. Freeman $5.1M (32 5); 29. A. Rizzo $6,4M (32 3); 28. B. Belt $8.8M (34 1). 2B/SS (2): 3. M. Semien $5.1M (31 4); 12. J. Baez $10.0M (29 4). SS (3): 1. C. Correa $5.8M (27 8); 2. C. Seager $6.1M (28 7); 10. T. Story $6.9M (29 6). 3B (1): 30. K. Seager $6.0M (34 2). OF (6/2): 21. A. Garcia $4.1M (31 2); T. Pham $4.5M (34 2); 20. K. Schwarber $5.8M (29 4); 23. M. Canha $6.0M (33 2); 9. S. Marte $6.3M (33 4); 22. M. Conforto (29 1); $6.8M; 11. N. Castellanos $7.6M (30 4); 6. K. Bryant $9.3M (30 6). SP (11/6): J. Quintana $0.9M (33 1); A. Wood $4.0M (31 3); 31. S. Matz $4.4M (31 4); 13. E. Rodriguez $4.4M (29 5); 38. A. Cobb $4.6M (34 2); 17. C. Rodon $4.7M (29 4); 7. R. Ray $4.9M (30 4); D. Duffy $5.0M (33 2); 36. A. DeSclafani $5.2M (32 3); 14. K. Gausman $5.3M (31 4); 50. Y. Kikuchi $6.0M (31 1); 32. J. Gray $6.3M (30 3); 19. J. Verlander $6.9M (39 2); 8. M. Stroman $6.9M (31 4); 4. M. Scherzer $7.3M (37 3); 18. C. Kershaw $8.4M (34 4); 15. N. Syndergaard $9.1M (29 1).
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Where could Kimbrel be traded, and for what?
South Side Hit Men replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
But can Kenley do this? -
Crowdsourced or final AAV per projected 2022 fWAR (Limited to the 34 FAs with a 2.0 or higher projected fWAR): https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker?&pos=all $ = 2022 fWAR / AAV; (Age #AAV Years) 1B (2/1): F. Freeman $5.1M (32 5); A. Rizzo $6,4M (32 3); B. Belt $8.8M (34 1). 2B/SS (2): M. Semien $5.1M (31 4); J. Baez $10.0M (29 4). SS (3): C. Correa $5.8M (27 8); C. Seager $6.1M (28 7); T. Story $6.9M (29 6). 3B (1): K. Seager $6.0M (34 2). OF (8): A. Garcia $4.1M (31 2); M. Canha $4.5M (33 2); T. Pham $4.5M (34 2); K. Schwarber $5.8M (29 4); S. Marte $5.8M (33 4); M. Conforto (29 1); $6.8M; N. Castellanos $7.6M (30 4); K. Bryant $9.3M (30 6). SP (11/6): J. Quintana $0.9M (33 1); A. Wood $4.0M (31 3); S. Matz $4.4M (31 4); E. Rodriguez $4.4M (29 5); A. Cobb $4.6M (34 2); C. Rodon $4.7M (29 4); R. Ray $4.9M (30 4); D. Duffy $5.0M (33 2); A. DeSclafani $5.2M (32 3);K. Gausman $5.3M (31 4); J. Gray $6.3M (30 3); J. Verlander $6.9M (39 2); M. Stroman $6.9M (31 4); M. Scherzer $7.3M (37 3); C. Kershaw $8.4M (34 4); N. Syndergaard $9.1M (29 1); Y. Kikuchi (Age 31) - No AAV estimate, 2.2 projected fWAR.
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Where could Kimbrel be traded, and for what?
South Side Hit Men replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Well, if they expand the trade beyond just Kimbrel, it's within possible options. Dodgers are the only team able and willing to take on large $ contracts, at least with the current CBA "luxury" tax. -
Where could Kimbrel be traded, and for what?
South Side Hit Men replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
They would likely get better production with Kimbrel plus one of the lower priced 2B out there (Villar, Harrison, Iglesias, Cesar) than Segura plus a random $2M-$3M FA reliever. Kimbrel will likely bounce back now that he has a solid innings workload under his belt for the first time since 2018. Same with Keuchel. I believe they will keep one or both of the two, can see Keuchel vesting for 2023 as well. Far rather get Lux than another old overpriced veteran at the end of their career. -
Wander Franco 12 year extension?
South Side Hit Men replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Started with the first World Series in 1903, used the title World Series Championships and League Pennants. Didn't count Chuck Comiskey's American Association championships in Minneapolis (1896) or Chicago (1900) either. Wasn't a slight, just used the inception of the World Series, where the two separate leagues met for the first time. It remained a tenuous association, as they didn't agree to meet the following year (1904). There were no World Series held in 1901 or 1902. -
Kendall Graveman agrees to deal w/Sox 3/$24
South Side Hit Men replied to Kyyle23's topic in Pale Hose Talk
https://theathletic.com/2975474/2021/11/24/white-sox-begin-rebuilding-their-bullpen-with-addition-of-kendall-graveman/?source=emp_shared_article Solid article for those of you who are able to afford the $1 / month Athletic subscription. Article Highlights He learned his sinker last season with the Mariners. They kept him from pitching back to back days most of the season to help him manage through the season. Fegan said the Sox FO have been focused on 2B recently. -
Poor guy was going through an awful lot this season before being shut down. I hope he is able to return to full strength and perhaps return to the White Sox.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
South Side Hit Men replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Every proposal over the past year has made me cringe (or "plans" to reduce him to a short-end platoon guy). Vaughn has a lot of growth ahead, cracked the majors playing a brand new position as one of the youngest players in the majors, and did very well adjusting. He will grow and learn and provide significant contributions now and in the future. -
Kendall Graveman agrees to deal w/Sox 3/$24
South Side Hit Men replied to Kyyle23's topic in Pale Hose Talk
