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QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 01:39 AM) The Sox do not really need to add anything from outside the organization for next season. However, unfortunately, they do have another roster problem. They must either unload Rios and, or Dunn and their big contracts, or fix their shocking declines in performance. They don’t need Rios, as they have plenty of outfield options, including center field. I understand that he’s making too much money to be a 4th outfielder, but much like the Angels overpaid Gary Matthews Jr. to be a defensive replacement, when his production mandated a demotion, that might be the best use of Rios. He would be overpaid, but at least he wouldn’t be killing their offense, and with both Quentin and Viciedo in the outfield, Rios might actually be of value as a defensive replacement. Of course it would be much better to unload that horrible contract, which would likely require that they assume a significant portion of his salary. An outfield of Quentin in LF, Viciedo in RF and a platoon of de Aza and Lillibridge in CF would be fine. Moreover, the de Aza/Lillibridge platoon makes a very serviceable lead off tandem, although Brent’s OBP is questionable for a lead off hitter, he makes up for it with his pop vs. LHP. The payroll relief afforded by both de Aza and Viciedo is very significant. They could comprise 2/3 of the outfield, and make Quentin’s salary increase possible. The offense will likely need both Quentin and a productive Viciedo. Again, Rios has to be the odd man out, hopefully via trade, but if not, his role has to be reduced. De Aza has been every bit as effective vs. RHP, as he has been the last two years at AAA.He could be a very serviceable center fielder and leadoff hitter. His stats vs. RHP for both Charlotte and the Sox so far this year have been very impressive, as they were last year. Everyone talks about Viciedo, but de Aza has really been the better player, though of course he lacks the power potential of Viciedo, and is 5 years older. The Sox may have to trade J. Danks just to entice a team to take Rios and his contract, and it might even be worth the sacrifice. Sale could take his spot in the rotation as a lefty. However, if Danks is traded, they better resign Buehrle. I don’t like the rotation with only one lefty. I’d personally prefer to see them just pay part of Rios’ contract in order to get another team to take him. If they could unload most of that contract they might be able to pay Danks, and even resign Buehrle, if he’s willing to take less than he made this year. The biggest problem is Dunn. He must rebound, primarily because this team badly needs a left handed hitting presence in the heart of the heavily weighted right handed hitting lineup. Rios, though expensive is not indispensable, but Dunn has to provide the only left handed threat. I’ve suggested elsewhere that Dunn should shorten his swing and maybe even choke up, a la Barry Bonds. A man that big and strong doesn’t need a big long swing. What he needs to do is make contact. Any time he hits the ball it has a chance to leave the yard, because he is that powerful. It just seems obvious that making more contact should be his number one objective. If they can get Dunn back to his normal production, the offense should be fine. I would expect that another year of experience should see improvement from both Beckham and Morel. A new hitting coach might help as well. I think that's a good post. Very good. I do think it'd be nice to try again with some other bullpen guys. That guy we acquired from Toronto is a hack and Crain was good but not nails IMO. Matt's pitches scream "hit me" at times.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 04:44 AM) I don't why I'm getting involved, but here I go. 1) Dunn/Rios will start everyday next year with a different manager but I guarantee they will be out of the lineup way quicker than Ozzie pulled them if they suck 2) Who on this website has not blamed Kenny for those signings? Everyone says those are bad signings, especially the Rios claim. Do you avoid the Jackson/Hudson threads, cause those are filled with expletives towards KW? 1.) Well, will we be out of the race when the new skipper finally demotes them? Probably. 2.) Well, if most hate on KW, then I've missed it with all the Ozzie burials. I sense most want KW back and want Oz gone. If most agree with me and hate KW, good for them. Cause I think he's a problem.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 04:38 AM) He's disagreeing with you, along with the rest of the board, yet you love his post while getting defensive towards everybody else. I guess I'm very very slow tonight (I'll argue not this slow most days) He said "I still love Crede. All time great Sox player? No. But love the guy." I thought he meant he loved Crede, just disagreed on him being an all time great. I can accept it if haters say they do love the guy for what he did in 05. And a mod agreed with me we don't win it all w/out JOE CREDE.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 04:39 AM) His losses are the blown saves greg... Oh, my bad. Brain failure. I was thinking like extra inning fadeouts. Dumb on me.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 10:18 PM) Wow excuse me black jack, Alex Fernandez, Floyd bannister, Joel horlen, Gary peters, Ed Walsh..... QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 10:49 PM) You have to decide as a fan... Do you want to live in "2005 World" or do you want the team to work towards another championship in the future? Remember the past fondly, but always look forward. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 01:11 AM) Goose Gossage (not here so long), Billy Pierce, Ted Lyons (interesting fact, 2nd highest ERA of any HOF pitcher), Ed Cicotte, Hoyt Wilhelm, Early Wynn, etc. 1.) Black Jack over Mark? No, not long enough career. 2.) Fernandez and Bannister? Please. 3.) Horlen and Peters? No. 4.)Ed Walsh and oldies? Maybe, I said modern history. I'm talking about careers in a Sox uniform BTW. Floyd Bannister vs. Mark is ridiculous insult to Mark. 2.) I am not living in 05 world. I said basically get rid of one of the two. I chose KW to move upstairs and keep Oz. 3.) Goose; no, not with Sox long enough; Pierce, Lyons, Cicotte, Hoyt, Wynn ... I said modern history. Face it, Mark is the best or one of the very best 1-2-3 Sox starters of all time modern era.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 04:32 AM) Yeah, it's just too bad the MLB forces lineups based on salaries. I just hope u guys rip the new manager when he plays Dunn/Rios all year as Ozzie did. Maybe KW will someday get as much blame for, uh, signing those 2 lousy players?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 04:25 AM) You confuse me greg. Why? I ... I liked your post. No lie.

QUOTE (Real @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 04:22 AM) This organization has no f***ing IDEA how to groom prospects into major league players. Sergio should most certainly have learned to close in the minors, and Beckham was called up way too f***ing fast. Sale is only on the roster because of some stipulation in his contract when he signed out of the draft. On Sergio, it was OK he learned to close in the majors, since this team wasn't going to win anything this year anyway with Dunn, Rios, Becks, others hitting so anemically as they did. He's blown six saves I know. He has five losses. Did he suck in those losses? If so, that's 11 s***ty outings which is not too good if that's what we're going to get from him in the future. I got no problems with him, however, if he learned on the job this year. But between he and Matt, we blew a lot of saves and lost a lot of games in late relief. This team's only strength on paper appears to be the starting rotation and maybe defense. Thing is, with AJ's inability to throw anybody out, that's a big part of defense. I'm close to saying this team's only above average facet is starting pitching.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 05:07 AM) I still love Crede. All time great Sox player? No. But love the guy. Now that's a winning post. Love it.

Me thinks you guys overvalue the importance of coaches and undervalue the failure of the guys with the bats in their hands and ball in their hand.

You guys slay me. I see nothing wrong with ANY of those quotes in that story.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 02:43 AM) You guys are beyond delusional..there are right now at least 7 teams in the AL better than the White Sox There's a lot of sarcasm going on right now. They weren't serious.

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 11:41 PM) Forgive me, but isn't it 3 title (1906, 1917 and 2005) in a 100 year time frame versus one in a gazillion? I forgot about 06 and 17. And Sox actually made it to the WS in 1959 I believe. Quite a drought after that. You won't get me to utter a negative word about Joe Crede. I stand by my statement that we don't win that year w/out him.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 10:38 PM) Haha indeed he did. I vote Greg and Marty for 2012 GM/Manager combo. They'd cut Dunn, Rios, Peavy and eat the 80 million owed. Resign MB for 4 years 90 million, Juan for 2 years 20 million, and give Ozzie an open ended 10 mil a year deal. Then trade everyone else on the team for pitching prospects. QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 11:18 PM) Wow excuse me black jack, Alex Fernandez, Floyd bannister, Joel horlen, Gary peters, Ed Walsh..... 1.) I already said I didn't want Juan back, even though I respect what he made out of his season. I also said I'd cut Dunn and keep Rios and make him fourth outfielder just because of the contract. In a perfect world, yes I'd cut both. I'd resign Mark. Sign Ozzie to a 4 year extension; move Kenny to another job.

LOL at another home loss. It's hard to have this bad of a home record even if u tried.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 07:45 PM) This is either hyperbole or the White Sox have been pretty terrible when it comes to individual players over the team's entire history. Hyperbole? Look, the White Sox have won one World Series in 100 years or whatever it is. Without him ... we do not win that one WS! Conclusion: Yes, said player is a one of the greats in Sox history. Look at pro football. You rarely get a Hall of Fame sniff w/out a Super Bowl title. Joe Crede was crucial in us winning only WS in gazillion years. He is a Sox great.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 08:23 PM) If no Ozzie means no Buehrle, see ya, Mark! QUOTE (bozzie @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 08:41 PM) Mark Buerhle - MLB's only 12-game winning #1 pitcher. Nice guy, good teammate, and a good pitcher. But overrated. QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 08:49 PM) Well there's people on this site who overrate and underrate pretty much every player, that's how it works on message boards as you well know. That said, the consensus on this site knows exactly what Mark is. He's extremely beloved and for good reason but people know that he's not an ace. 1.) Jeezus Louisas. Are u kidding? See ya Mark? He is a legend. 2.) Overrated? Great stuff here. Way to treat a Sox legend, Mark Buehrle, perhaps the best pitcher in Sox history, at least modern history. ... 12 wins? Hell I thought wins mean nothing to sabes people anyway. 3.) Excellent post!

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 07:51 PM) Back surgeries are extremely unreliable. Sometimes you can exhaust all options and you need to have them. However, the spine is one area where I would really use it as a last resort. The latest example of this is Peyton Manning. The lockout really hurt him as he had the cervical spinal surgery without being followed closely by the team medical group. The surgery didn't work and now he just had a spinal fusion and could be in alot of trouble once he tries to comeback. I'm sure he will need to have hardware placed in the spine and it will need to stay in there to prevent any further injuries. How in the heck could Manning EVER consider playing again? I mean baseball is much less contact, so much less, and Crede's back is wrecked. Manning is going to get hit in the back a lot. If he plays again he has a screw loose. Isn't there danger in playing, ptatc?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 06:46 PM) Whoever the manager is next year i will guarantee that Rios and Dunn are starters in April. If they continue to have dismal seasons after a couple months, I'd expect the manager to get creative in using those guys less....something Ozzie failed to do until it was way too late this year. Or the general manager could do something "creative" and uh, release them. But the GM gets so little blame for these two compared to Oz (yawn).

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) This has to be an act right? You can't seriously believe this. You're just doing this to get the responses right? Right? If you think the new manager is going to sit Rios and Dunn, bless you. They will play every day.

Man, six road games against two good teams to open. You'd have to think if nothing changes 4-2 would be a good trip, 2-4 more likely. Yikes.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:13 PM) Fixed. It wouldn't be the Internet w/out a few negative comments. Joe Crede, one of the great studs in White Sox history. Why? We don't win a WS w/out him, likely the only one in our lifetimes. Yes they are that rare in Chicago.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 06:16 AM) That says he might be able to stay if he drops Cora, Cox, and Walker. I'd replace them with Omar, Robin (3rd Base), and Frank, picking Frank because I can't think of anyone else. And man, Cowley sounds depressed in that article. That makes it true for me if anything. And while I want Ozzie gone...I really do wish it could have ended in harmony, or him staying. I might even not hate him being back if he dropped Cora, Cox, Walker. But it all fell apart when he didn't stop Oney. Those are three great choices for coaches for the new skipper. I liked the ending.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:20 AM) Apparently the Sox operate some bizarro franchise. Rowand and Tejada DFA'd from the same team on the same day, Andruw Jones bought out, Chone Figgins benched, Manny Ramirez given away 2x, Rios given away, Gary Mathews JR benched, Zito benched, and on and on and on....except for the White Sox, who base their playing time on salary and salary only I guess. Ridiculous of course, but only if you don't have an irrational love for a manager who doesn't have a single thing going for him that you can defend anymore. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:33 AM) Why hold back now? So I ask you - why did Bruce Bochy not play Barry Zito and Aaron Rowand down the stretch and in the postseason last year despite being the two highest paid players on the team? Well you guys seem to want my responses so ... It isn't Ozzie's decision to DFA guys. If KW wanted to DFA Rios and Dunn that would have been fine with me. But he couldn't do that. They make too much money. So guess what? Oz plays them. I'm not familiar with Zito. Educate me. I thought he remained a starter through all of his s***tiness.He pitched 192 and 199 innings the past 2 years before this year. Not pitching him in the postseason is different. You can mess with your postseason rotations and only go with four guys, etc. I will agree it's possible Ozzie continued to play Rios/Dunn to embarrass KW who brought them here. I said both Oz and KW can't complain if they get fired cause they both hate each other and pull s*** like that IMO.

Well, you guys win. Cowley writes that Jerry has picked KW and KW will be back. KW doesn't want Oz so Oz is gonzo. Read and celebrate http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7643768-419...r-anything.html