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I read the last few responses and enjoyed reading them. I'll resist typing in more stuff cause I'm sure you don't want to hear my rebuttals on this topic any more tonight.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:50 AM) Detroit is now tied with Boston for the second best record in the AL. Only 3 1/2 behind NY. Guess the 2011 Tigers are nowhere near the chokers some people on this board suggested since Detroit "ALWAYS" fades.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:37 AM) I honestly don't see what you're missing. Not a single person here defends Dunn, Rios, or KW. The thing is, time travel doesn't yet exist to my knowledge, so as of April 1, 2011, for the 2011 season, Ozzie has been in charge of putting the best team on the field. Still with me there? On July 27th, a perfectly capable replacement for Rios was called up. We were 3.5 back. KW stated players will not play based on salary (whether you believe that or not means NOTHING). From that point on, there was absolutely no excuse for Ozzie to play Rios. None. Still there? Your blind love of Ozzie is partly due to his "firey, crazy, speak the truth" personality, correct? So if he was told, publicly, that he is not to play people based on salary, then I guess by your logic he was then told privately that he is to keep playing them "or else"...why wouldn't he say something? So if you still back Ozzie, then you also have to believe in one of these 3 scenarios: A) Ozzie cannot read and/or write any longer, and has simply been making spelling errors since late July on the lineup cards. B) Immediately after announcing playing time does not relate to salary, Ozzie was told that was just for show and he damn well better keep playing sub-.200 hitters in the middle of division race or he's in big, big trouble. C) Ozzie and his "loose cannon, gotta love him attitude" has been playing Dunn and Rios to spite KW for making those moves to the detriment of the team and sabotaged the season Those are the only possibilities, so which one is it? And just to cover all bases, if you're in the stupid "De Aza/Vicedo vs Rios/Dunn wouldn't have mattered anyway" camp....wouldn't you have at least wanted to f***ing find out for yourself? If you don't think replacing the 2 literal worst players in baseball with ANYONE else wouldn't have made a difference when we were 3.5 back, I'd like .5 lb's of whatever you're smoking. I definitely can respect your guys' opinion on Ozzie not playing the best players. I agree DeAza/Tank are much better options than Rios/Dunn. I'd go with answer B, but not as forcefully stated as you put it. More like KW just said that, when both he, Ozzie and Jerry know you DO play the guys who make that kind of jack.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:41 AM) Pretty sure we actually did that once this year. Once is not enough.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:28 AM) We already know they're bringing back fan favorite, Joe Crede. It's just another depressing sign that they're clinging on to the past in order to cover up the joke they've become. LOL. A depressing sign bringing a former player back to some insignificant offseason gathering for the fans? I'd think a few fans wouldn't mind getting Joe's autograph. The team is a joke, but I don't think bringing Joe Crede to some fan deal is a problem.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:32 AM) Hey, look who's under .500 again. Indians too. I'd think this time the Sox stay under .500 where they belong.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:24 AM) You're on fire tonight That was funny? Sox need to fix this home problem. Can't win at home. What a joke of a team, joke of a season. Another predictable 5-0 loss vs. Verlander.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:16 AM) This is a big game? It would be nice to see our guys outdominate an ace once in a while. Like maybe we beat Verlander 5-0 somehow at home once in a blue moon.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:09 AM) He's not the problem he's the solution. This team is losing despite having perhaps the greatest manager in the game. Loria is going to go broke buying WS championship rings when he brings in Ozzie. Ozzie's greatness is not questioned, I just wonder how you can think a team can finish below .500 with Ozzie at the helm? It doesn't seem possible to me. Ozzie is too good. So I ask a simple question and get that? Nice. I don't know why you guys think I'm a 100 percent Ozzie backer. I already said I won't be upset when he gets fired and I think deep down, Ozzie also knows he has no reason to complain if he gets fired. I just don't think he's the devil and I think he ultimately is a better candidate than anybody we bring in to replace him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:53 AM) So if someone said Ozzie resents KW cause KW is Stanford educated and Ozzie never went to college, would you say that's a crazy assumption? I think both Ozzie and Kenny have lived very privileged lives and shouldn't be comparing themselves to others. I never thought of that one. For all I know, KW thinks HE'S better than Ozzie because of the education thing. Never thought of it that way.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:52 AM) You argue with people in here who actually provide facts and statistics to back up their case yet all you ever provide are your subjective gut feelings and odd theories like this one which is based on nothing. All I was saying is Ozzie should not rip the White Sox or Jerry in his Marlins' press conference, but he could at least explain his hatred of KW, which is what ultimately would be the reason he gets let go if he gets let go. What's wrong with that? And this is my take on why he basically is unwilling to listen to KW at all. Oz IMO thinks he's better than Kenny; I think that is a decent take.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:51 AM) Ozzie Guillen was terrible at baseball. Just think '11 Juan Pierre for 13 years straight. Comparing KW the player to Ozzie the player is like comparing Bee Bee Richard the player to Derek Jeter.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:41 AM) Why would they stay there? Ozzie is the manager. I hope you are not one of those who think Ozzie is the only problem child on this horrible baseball team and franchise which appears to have not much talent in the minor league system. It's too easy to just blame Ozzeroo.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:45 AM) That might be the oddest thing I've ever seen mentioned in the pale hose forum. You don't think Ozzie resents the fact KW is his boss? Ozzie was a good baseball player; Kenny a nothing. Ozzie has a huge ego like most baseball players do. KW did nothing on the field in Oz's eyes IMO.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:44 AM) George Carlin couldn't write a funnier comedy routine. I saw George Carlin in Vegas at the MGM and he was so f***ing funny. Lot of people walked out when he was doing his take on suicide and his take on kids' names today. Lots of mommies who named their kids artsy names couldn't take it when George pointed out how dumb the names sound compared to Mike, Bob, Joe, etc. He's a genius and it was two hours of bliss listening to his jokes and diatribes.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:24 AM) Let's see if Ozzie is a man of his word and keeps quiet if he leaves http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,1570904.story I doubt he'd rip his father figure, Jerry. He ought to tear into Kenny though. Might as well come clean about why the 2 couldn't stand each other. I still think in the weird mind of egotistical baseball players and former players, Ozzie believes (which he was) a much better player than Kenny and can't stand the fact KW is his "boss." Even though KW has no power over Oz he technically is his "boss." Does anybody in the know know anything about what Jerry is thinking? That's where the scoop lies. You'd think the reporters would be able to get something from Jerry's confidants. People like to talk.

Man the Sox stink. Back under .500 after tonight. I'd think they'd stay under the rest of the year. At least the Sox have a few hits off Verlander.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 10:43 PM) bleh, I had a response typed but there's no point any more, you can't get by your blind backing of Ozzie to have a logical discussion on the matter. Hilarious I'm sick of reading the blame going to Ozzie for those two players' pathetic performances. For me it grows as old as Ozzie praise to you. I will shed no tears nor will I be mad if Ozzie goes to Florida. I just comment when I think he's getting an unfair rap. I find it amazing people think he should have benched Rios and Dunn months ago.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 12:26 AM) I want to see Viciedo start getting more loft in his swing. Hits a ton of ground balls it seems. Billy Butler has proven some big guys don't hit home runs. Billy needs some loft as well. Big guys need to hit home runs. KC fans don't like the lack of homers.

Is this a 3 game series? So we do our nice dance to two games under .500 after this series, then if we're lucky win four in a row to go two over?

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 11:31 PM) Totally different feel with how Tigers beat us compared to how Twins used to. Tigers just hit the hell out of the ball, while Twins would bloop the crap out of it. I feel the same way about the two. When a game is scheduled against Detroit, I fully expect an L. It was the same way with the Twins for a couple years until finally they played so many guys I've never heard of we were able to win a few games against them.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 05:00 AM) It was there...just happened to be on the bench and in AAA You know what would be even crazier? If he *gasp* didn't f***ing play him. I honestly believe we could have won the division or came within a game or 2 if our lineup was made by a 6 year old who only had BA/HR/RBI to look at after July 15th. Or we could have won the division if the GM didn't bring in overpaid stiffs like Dunn and Rios. And waste so much money on Peavy. KW's one sentence in the media how Ozzie was allowed to bench the zillionaires was MASTERFUL in making KW look good. Totally shifted the blame from KW to Oz. Good job, Kenny. If you believe in reality of sports you understand why Ozzie plays Dunn and Rios.

Amazing how the Tigers are the new Twins. They give us a total beatdown.

Let's please not even bring Ozzie into this just lament the fact we are 11.5 games out. Can you believe this horses*** season? So many optimists on this board and everywhere pointing out that "all we need to do is have one long winning streak." This when we were anywhere between 4 and 6 out for so many weeks. People looking ahead to the next homestand or road trip still having a glimmer of hope we might get hot and/or compete! All false hope. What a joke. Predictably, all hope finally ended in late August, early September. GOD I HATED THIS .500 SEASON!

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 04:40 AM) True, but I look forward to reading them 156,798 times until next April Don't worry ... a month after the season is over the only Sox stories we'll be reading will be the ones about how Dunn is going to bounce back nicely (unless of course, there is a firing of Oz/KW/both). That will be the story of the offseason. His resurgence.