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The Hangover was a great movie but not an all timer. Mike Tyson's role was awesome. I'd give it an A-.

I still think there was no urgency to make a deal cause Paulie, Oz, KW all wanted to stay pat. They were wrong.

Of course it will be a black mark, cause we failed and didn't win division w/out Thome. But I'm saying we had options to COMPETE and win it w/out Thome, not sit back and misidentify the fact we needed a bat at the break or TWO BATS. Sox not only blew it in preseason but blew it at midseason. We were FINE w/out Thome. We could have stuck it to them and competed with them all the way even though they had Jim Thome. Sox were right there at the break and you guys IMO are acting like wimps saying, 'Oh we couldn't win without Thome.' Big bad Oz and Kenny. I'm saying we had it. We add somebody besides Thome at the break and we're fine.

Why not respond to my point! We were in it without Thome. Sox decided to not tamper with chemistry and add a player or two except a pitcher when we had a good one already in Huddy.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 06:46 AM) Greg don't you remember everybody ripping you last year about it being time to let go of Crede? Yes. But this Thome thing is ridiculous. Nobody points out to me my counter argument that we were in the race without Thome at the break. We just didn't add the bat we needed at the time.

LOL On and on about Thome. Thome didn't cost us the division. We could have picked up a similar DH. KW listened to Oz. It's both their faults. It's second guessing about Thome. This board had so much Thome hate his final year here. I hope Thome leads them to the WS title. Once and for all, Minnie, go for it. And the Ozzie haters may get their wish of his firing. Surely Thome will bury us in that 3 game series some more and Oz just might freak out where he throws something or injures a writer and finally gets fired for good. He's sensitive about the Thome thing. You guys on this Thome kick fail to accept one fact. We were in the race w/out Thome. We did not add to the team at the AS Break. We stood pat and paid for it. We could have responded like competitors and added a bat. We were right there with Minnie. Sox thought they could stand pat. Halfway through the season we were right there WOUT THOME. Sox could have but didn't add the bat to continue competing with Minnie. But keep dreaming about Jimmy Thome who so many wanted out of town and were so happy he went to the Dodgers.

You guys are all second guessing deluxe. Nobody knew Thome would succeed this year, just as nobody knew Crede would suck last year. One man did not ruin our season. Our pitching has failed us on MANY occasions. We have many holes in our lineup, not just the absence of Thome who many Sox fans wanted to run out of town. Second guessing is easy but not always right.

Well let's hope they make better decisions next year. I prefer to not dwell on this Thome crap. There are tons of reasons we ain't winning s***. And we need major changes for next year. We are closer to being a .440 team than a .650 team. We acquired Teahen. He sucked.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 06:09 AM) It is impossible to say whether the Sox would win the division with Thome but we certainly would be in a much better position to win it with Thome than without him. With Thome this team likely has 3 or 4 more wins than they do right now and if you take Thome off the Twins they are probably a couple of games worse which obviously would put the Sox in great position to win the division. Stil the Sox were right there at the AS Break. Kenny, Ozzie, Paulie et. all said no changes were necessary. They were wrong. Then we trade a future star in Hudson for Jackson, who has been fine.

He stunk. And imagine what's gonna happen to Freddy on Sunday.

How do you know he'd have done this with the Sox? WIth Thome you think we win this division? I don't. We actually were in pretty good shape but the Sox refused to make a move and again it was the wrong decision. We were doing just fine w/out Thome. Sox had a chance to improve and passed on it. The Sox were supposed to dominate on the mound. I wouldn't call what our starters have done as domination.

I hope he hits 15 home runs this postseason and the Thome-led Twinks finally win it all. Maybe then the jinx will end and we'll get back on top.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 04:30 AM) Half of Soxtalk is also stupid and thinks Thome wasn't a great player for the Sox so I don't give a damn what they think. If you sign a competent DH then letting Thome go is fine. Deciding to go with Mark f***ing Kotsay when there were better option available for basically nothing is one of the dumbest decisions imaginable and the fact that Ozzie thought this was a good move makes me really question his ability to determine what a good baseball player is. I agree Oz should not be the GM. He should manage the talent. That didn't happen with this decision. Shame on Kenny for letting Oz make the call. But you must admit our team is perplexing. We go 25-5 and look iike we'll never lose. All the players and KW think we can stay pat and Oz. And we make no move, and guess what, WE NEEDED HELP. The 25-5 and 38-13 was great but we needed more. That Thome thing did not cost us the season. Right now WE CANT BEAT TEAMS IN THE CENTRAL and that isn't cause of our DH situation. The one move we made was stupid. Jackson for Hudson. Manny arrived too late. And off steroids, he looks like a husky singles hitter to me. Big deal.

With the magical season Thome is having, I wonder if he cherishes this one season more than his whole stay in Chicago? It's a pretty special run he is on.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 04:21 AM) I thought the Sox would come home and be geared up for this homestand. They just look completely flat. Hopes dashed, etc, etc... Lots of tinkering needed. Twins ain't going anywhere next season.

38-13 was an amazing middle to a frustrating season. We just can't beat teams in our own division. We just can't do it the last 2 seasons.

There is accountability, sure. But we're not the best team. It hurts. It sucks. But look at our team. We aint good enough.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 04:16 AM) The lengths you go to in order to deflect criticism away from Guillen amazes me. Sure, we'll remember the great 30 game stretch. Doesn't mean we can't also remember how one single personnel decision by Ozzie had a huge impact on the AL Central this season. That's probably the 4th or 5th game that Thome has single-handedly won for the Twins since the ASB. Next thing you know, you'll probably say that it wasn't Ozzie's decision. I remember people so happy saying no matter what that made the season. Look, you have no way of telling whether Big Jim woulda been this good for us. Oz wanted Kotsay/Jones, fine. Blame him. KW needs to make the personnel decisions; he didn't. Big deal. The pitching has been inconsistent as well. IT AINT OUR YEAR. It ain't Oz's fault. It just ain't. I thought after we won it all we'd dominate our division our least and make the playoffs A LOT. It ain't happened. s*** happens. Life baseball wise sure can suck. Aint.Oz's.Fault.

The 25-5 run was sensational, but a huge tease. I also remember reading that people said "whatever happens I'll remember the 25-5." Well, stand by your words, cause this team wasn't good enough.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 04:04 AM) Haha, the nightmare that this season has turned into is illustrated in this Twins game. GREAT CALL OZZIE...it's just too damn you won't be held accountable for such a terrible decision. Like half of Soxtalk didn't want to get rid of Thome. Get real. It's not Ozzie. It's just NOT OUR SEASON again. If you can sleep better blaming a great manager like Ozzie, more power to ya.

Please Twins, win it all for once. Thome equals god.

The season may not be over by any stretch, but we just might lose 2 of 3 at home to KC as alleged contenders. Somebody said Harrell is pitching Sunday. On paper that is not so good.

Sad story on WGN news tonight; cop shot twice. It could be worse; baseball isn't life and death.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 03:08 AM) Face it the Sox pitching staff has been a paper tiger. Jackson was due for a bad start. JR needs to think things over. Mediocrity is getting expensive (common among all Chicago teams). A lot of money has been thrown around to finish in 2nd place. Put those $$$ in scouting. That's true, Kite. I wish I lived in Chicago and could get season tix one year and see how I'd feel about the product goin to all the home games. We are mediocre.

Juan is a likeable player but 38 Ribbies are too few.