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You don't honestly think we can get anything for Jones, do you? He's not a regular on any team but ours and maybe the Nats. You get maybe a Class A guy if for some reason anybody wanted Jones.

Who would you compare Peavy and his 5.7 ERA to right now? Not flaming, just asking. He's definitely getting hit. Who has Jake Peavy become? Once again, Sox play well enough to lose. We gots a last place team here, folks. KC is hot under Yost.

Isn't Nix acceptable at 2B? He's not that big a butcher there is he?

I hated that argument that Frank walked too much. That was absurd and I remember hating it when people blasted him for that. As far as trade value, cmon, Jones has no trade value. Omar has no trade value. Teahen no trade value. Even though Rios is doing well, nobody is going to want that contract. Our starters have a lot of trade value, no matter how much they are making. I would think Bobby has some trade value, but just for 3 prospects from somebody who desperately needs a closer. We're dreaming if we think guys like Kotsay, Jones, Teahen, Pierre have any trade value.

Beckham looked relaxed on that deep drive to right center that got caught. He looked relaxed but horrific on that tapper to the mound. Poor Beckham. A good hitter gets hits three of 10 at bats. That's not many. When he does hit the ball hard it never finds a hole this year. Well they tried the team meeting thing. And we lose. There's not much left to do. The only thing left is Oz turning over the dinner table in the locker room some night and I don't think he's done that yet in his tenure, has he? The going ballistic thing I am thinking is not Ozzie's thing. Where's Peavy in all this? I thought he was Mr. Intense. Could he erupt and cause a good scene in the locker room? Paulie has never been one to call anybody out or knock over tables of food. and how bout murphy's law. he plays nix instead of the sieve teahen and nix makes the poor throw. woe is us.

Tonight's game is another reason we ain't catching anybody. We'll battle the Royals for the bottom slot in the division. Nix's error ... we play just well enough to lose. That was key. The CQ and Lexi choke at bats in the ninth. We play just well enough to lose. I will give some credit to Pierre. He's resembling an actual big league player the past couple weeks and is much less hate-able.

I thought I did a good job of countering his point that the Sox haven't moved on since the title. They've gotten rid of a ton of players from that team. He said they haven't moved on at all. I said they have a lot. As far as the manager, you know where I stand on him.

I wouldn't say they stuck with everybody. Dye, Thome, Crede, Uribe, Pods, Garland, Contreras, et. all, there are others are long gone. Most teams probably would have fired the batting coach by now. I doubt teams with similar postseason history as Chicago would have fired the manager by now.

TCQ one day might get it, but he seems too jittery. I wonder if he'll ever be calm at the plate and drive the ball like Paulie. Didn't it take Paulie a few years to figure it out before he became an ultra stud? Beckham ... who'd a thunk it.

Yeah I guess that makes sense. It's crazy how tough it is to hit a baseball where the fielders ain't. Beckham just is a wreck and one at bat tonight he raked one to right field. Right in outfielders mitt. Not talking about Danks right now, but what if a prospect that was 20 was just raking the ball to all fields and not striking out much and excelling all over? He still wouldn't have a chance to get called up, whereas in basketball that guy would be on an NBA roster making zillions. I understand what yu are saying though.

Amen. Anybody who mentions anything negative about Danks tonight is simply off base. My god.

I watched the last inning or so. Sox had their chances. 3-2 with man on base. CQ pops up to center and Lexi with the pathetic whiff. That one pitch was a meatball that he fouled off. The pitch he struck out on? Who knows, but he was overmatched. Same old story. No offense. Teams should never lose at home when they get pitching like that. Only the White Sox. This time Nix with the horrific defensive play. And no hitting. 90 losses or more? It's almost June and CQ and Lexi fail at the plate. No excuses for them. Bad baseball you two.

How many significant trades have been made before June in modern baseball history? Not flaming would just like to be educated on that. I guess if some team thought they just had to have one of our guys they'd be smart to make offers early. I can't imagine there being any hurry to get any of these guys except maybe Mark or Konerko. Do the Phils need a closer? Maybe they would make a call about Jenks.

It's wild how much different baseball is from the NBA. The NBA soon wll be drafting college freshmen (they'd be taking a s***load of high schoolers if they could) with NO minor league system in place for these 18 to 20 year olds. All these high draft picks will be expected to produce immediately in the NBA or be deemed busts. In baseball you have to play minor league ball for many years if you are a high schooler or college aged guy. Very interesting to me how baseball players have to be groomed and never rushed compared to NBA types salivating over drafting guys totally not ready for prime time. Yet there's no minor league for them except the D-League which is a joke, pretty much for non prospects and a place where top draft picks might play a few games a year. I mean, why can't Hudson, Danks, Viciedo play in the bigs now? It's the same ball and bat.

I include radio shows as the radical fringe. What Sunday sports shows? Both also generally tend to be the Mariotti-ish fire everybody, play the backup quarterback, run the offensive coordinator out of town. They are not representative of the regular fan. I think I know somebody in the business said 3 percent of all radio talk show listeners call in. It's like this board. Whoopie. We have the voice of 25 fans on here? How many post regularly? 20 or so who bleed over every pitch. Not even 12,000 to 15,000 which would constitute a bad crowd at the Cell. But if the whole city wants Ozzie fired then I guess the mob mentality wins over. Times certainly have changed quickly when most everybody is happy Beckham is batting ninth.

We're stuck with Teahen's contract. Nobody will ever want him. He's too mediocre. Same with Juan. Linebrink too. Somebody would trade for Bobby and AJ and Paulie of course.

You are correct caufield. No need no more.

Didn't one of the games get rained out? That would have been nice to have a DH yesterday when we actually looked good in the 6-2 win. Maybe we'd have won the rare two in a row.

Jenks isn't in the category of being horrific yet, is he? I mean he's no Linebrink or Randy Williams? If Thornton is so much better, why don't they just reverse roles. I still wonder if Thornton was our full time closer he wouldn't blow some saves as well. Thornton is beloved on here, but once he blows a couple saves he'll be criticized as well I'd bet. I don't know if closer by committee works, but I do wish Thornton would close some games, especially those where he blows through the eighth inning and you can tell he's really on. On those nights, I don't know why you'd always go to Bobby in the ninth, considering Bobby has shown tendencies of shakiness the past couple seasons.

Six games below .500 right now is pretty bad. We are one horrible horrible long road trip from being buried into a Royals-like campaign. I know what you are saying, but in reality we're still very close to spiraling into Royals/Orioles/Nats-like territory.

I would bet you this 'fire Ozzie' stuff is an internet fanatic thing. I can't imagine there's much mojo in the city of Chicago to actually fire Ozzie. Unless he digs his own grave with more comments like he's made in past years I can't imagine the more neutral level headed fans actually calling for Ozzie's head. I mean how many "fans" are really vocal on here? How many post what you would consider a lot? Maybe 20 fans? 25? Chicago is a massive city. I would bet you the fanatic representation on here isn't true representation of the city. My guess is since we suck there's more of a who cares attitude. I can't imagine there's a lot of fire Ozzie sentiment ruling downtown Chicago business world luncheons today. I do hope Nix gets hot and keeps Teahen where he belongs, in a Nix like role. They need to reverse positions on the team. More Nix; less less less Teahen.

I didn't say I was leaving. I'm going to try to stop talking about how I like Ozzie and why I like Ozzie.

In 100 years I think plenty of managers had teams that on paper could have won it all. And didn't. Hopefully I can stifle myself on posting anymore about Ozzie. I can't win. For decades when teams lose a game it's been "fire the manager" and my stance is one that is not winnable. I'll lose this battle everytime by sheer numbers that follow the "fire the manager" mantra. So I hope many of you get your wish and Ozzie is fired. It's obvious many of you have grown very tired of him. I hope you get your way and hope you enjoy Buddy Bell, because I'd bet he'll be the guy unless it's Joey Cora. In that case, I hope you enjoy Joey. The team will probably get hot after the firing and win eight of 10 or something. That usually happens after a firing, then things settle back to where the team plays to its talent. The only way a manager/coach can shut up criticis is "just win baby." We're not winning, so my stance is unwinnable. I hope I can force myself to stop posting defense of Ozzie cause I can't win. And let me beat the next person who will respond to this by saying, 'We can only hope (that greg stops posting)."

That goes back to personnel. If he had a legitimate leadoff option, it wouldn't have been Wise for him to go with Wise and he knew that as well.

Freddy is not dead. Long live Freddy.