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I agree Squert, read my edited post from a second ago. I'm just saying it's obvious the poster is a kid. Why not discuss it with him or not post at all rather than just say he lives in a fantasy world?

Sqwert why don't you try to educate the fan who posted that. It's pretty obvious to me he's a younger fan into the part of the game where fans can affect the outcome. Might be helpful discussion rather than simply being smart about it. If that fan isn't under 18 I'd be shocked. He has a right to his opinion. My response to that post: The Cardinal fans are no different than ours. I listed earlier this year when they wanted duncan's head ... again. Then the starters got good again and the fans shut up. The reality is big leaguers are millionaires and can handle what the fans dish out. I think it's bad taste when our fans decide they hate certain guys (Wise) when others deserve as much hate (could Rios please get a key hit? would Dotel and Liney and Pena just volunteer to go back to AAA for a while?) but that's just me.

must ... resist saying what I think of grammer nazis on message boards in general. Yes I spelled it wrong on porpoise. Geez.

Great post, WCSox. I agree with you 100 percent. Oz can't pitch Thornton every game. He's the only halfway reliable set up guy and he's sometimes wild as s***. Kenny's the one who acquired these rag arm relievers who might as well put the ball on a tee. It's rebuilding time and I hope we have enough pieces where it won't be too painful. On paper our starting rotation should be excellent next year IF Mark returns to being Mark and Danks/Floyd continue their improvement as reliable to great starters in Sox uniforms. Peavy we need to be that ace type guy and hopefully one of our young guys will be No. 5. I wish we'd have kept Poreda or Clayton ... maybe one of them could have been serviceable in the pen. As far as Oz, it would have been interesting if we had this 2-8 1-9 type road trip performance in May or June. You go 2-8 or 1-9 as we are doing on this trip early in the year ... wow interest can fall in a team in a hurry. Would Oz have imploded? Would KW have canned him? Maybe not but 1-9 mighta put us in the tank for good early on. I find it hard to criticize Oz too much; he's no different from any manager, though. If we're out of it in May or early June any season, sure he could be canned.

Blaming Walker for Rios' total crap at bats is simply wrong. It's on Rios. He better get his act together to earn that money next year. He's been utterly crap. Many chances to drive in key runs and he ALWAYS fails (so far in the Sox uniform). You think Rios, with his reputation, is listening to anybody much less Walker? I agree he should be fired, just to give people something else to talk about next year. The Sox better develop a plan for next year. Returning all the same position players and banking on our rotation excelling will not be the answer. We have to totally rebuild the bullpen and get rid of some of the elder statesmen to go with our supposed great rotation.

Nope. A hitting coach is a cliche. He's the whipping boy for when things are going bad. A good hitting coach makes available tapes, extra BP, talking things over with hitters. I've always been shocked at those who put a lot of stock in a hitting coach. Name me the good hitting coaches in baseball. It's all cliche. Our hitters suck because they suck.

We definitely have no use for the reliever we acquired for him. Just another rag arm hack we'll have to replace this offseason.

Fire him if you want, but it's not the hitting coach, folks. It's the guys with the bat in their hands.

I stand by my 2-8 which looks about right, but I truly wouldn't be shocked at 0-10. Would you?

An 0-10 trip is still a possibility. Good job, White Sox and your stellar relief pitchers. Nice trade Kenny. Brandon should be laughing somewhere.

I know there is 'Dotel love on this board. He has been far from effective IMO. I haven't examined all the stats, but my own eye tells me he's a base on balls machine and a guy I don't want on my team. I hope we get rid of him. Only guys worth a s*** in our pen are Carrasco who is good for what he's asked to do; Bobby and Thonrton.

Is Rios another guy to loaf mentally and physically after getting the huge contract? So far the answer is yes. He has a chance to prove that wrong next year, but he's been a pathetic hitter with the Sox so far.

I don't see any reason to pitch him if we go 2-8 on the trip or worse. For that matter, Mark ought to get the last 2 weeks of the season off. Rest him up for what we think will be a good rotation next year.

Sox players who are frustrating me to no end lately. ... I said frustrating me, not me hating them as people: Pods: The pickoffs have really hurt the club. Dye: How the hell can you go from unstoppable to nothing? That's baseball. Liney: He's gotta go in the offseason. Dotel: Please dump him for scraps in the offseason. Mark: Love you, Mark, but what is up since the perfect game? What is up? Jose: His name says it all. What is he 5-12? Rios: Off to a s***TY start at the plate in a Sox uniform. Way to give us a spark, sir. Not frustrating me: Bobby - Still doing well when we get it to him. AJ - Love the guy. Has hit all year. Beckham - He's not hit well of late, but oh well. Alexei - Really bad ss but at least he got some big hits of late, unlike say, everybody else. CQ - Doing well since coming back. Obviously Peavy should be shut down if we go 2-8 or worse on this trip. No need for him to pitch. Offseason: Revamp the bullpen again. Get rid of some of our aging slow guys. Make a GOOD trade or 2. Pray for some luck in close games next year.

The frustrating thing about Rios is he's had a few chances to really deliver and say, help us win a division, with a big hit. He's failed like the rest of our guys of late. The verdict is still out on Mr. 40-40 (not).

White Sox have 3 good relievers: Bobby, Thornton and Carrasco. The rest need to pack up and leave town for next year.

We supported them big time. They lost me on the 3-3 bombjob vs. the O's and KC. Still want 'em to win, but the team is a fricking joke.

Two losses down, six more to go on this 2-8 road trip. Dye indeed sucks the second half, but could we have asked Rios to maybe just maybe contribute to a win and get, let's say, a hit there?

If Freddy gives up 10 runs in 3-4 innings will he also be out of the rotation? With Mark totally s*** since perfection day our rotation is pretty iffy.

If this team is driving you insane, good luck with 3 more in Boston, 3 in New York and 3 certain losses back in the dome. This road trip may be our penance as fans for winning it all a few years ago. This is gonna get so ugly.

Good article. That 3-3 homestand vs. KC and the O's was truly bad bad baseball by the White Sox. I disagree on the playoffs, however. If we somehow got in, that would mean we'd played pretty good baseball. To overcome Detroit, we are far enough back, we'd have to have a pretty darn good September. But I do agree that this team is hard to root for. I have relaxed the last week finally realizing it isn't going to happen this year. If the team wants to shock me and get its head out of its ass, that much better.

Man, I just don't know if that's the case. My memory is slipping, but haven't we basically been the same team all year? Weren't we even in first for a while? We've never been too far over .500 and never way below. A healthy Freddy? I don't think he's got much in the tank personally healthy or unhealthy. As far as changes in our lineup, Pods will be gone. Does anybody really believe Thome/Dye/Konerko will be back? I'd say one of the three maybe, probably Dye.

She's definitely not hideous. As much as she's worked out in her life, I doubt she'll get fat. I didn't realize she was't even 18.

Good post. I'll always follow the team as a fan. I've been addicted a long time. But this ain't our year. I would be simply stunned if we do better than 2-8 this trip. This truly is going to be the offseason where the lineup gets altered a lot. It also will probably be an offseason where our bullpen gets reworked again. Only Thornton and Bobby are worth a s***. Carrasco is also servicable. The rest of those guys can take a hike and I hope they do.

How's Rios doing as a Sox? I haven't paid that close of attention, but it doesn't seem like he's tearing it up. He hasn't hit a dinger yet, has he?