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I can buy that argument. Thome probably was too expensive. I just wish we could find some real gamers. I was thinking Daubach was the guy back in the winter when we got him. Maybe like the one poster said he didn't have enough at bats to lead.

well i understand all your points, maybe thome wasn't the answer completely. But some of you suggest we need heart. I am saying one player can do a lot in that department. Have we had a stud like that in a while? I thought Thome was that kind of player. Maybe a leader is overrated. I do agree with the great post about Manuel. I sure hope we hire a good replacement. The Royals have proven before hiring Pena that you can make many mistakes hiring managers (Boone, Muser). And we hired Bevington who was the worst manager in Sox history. We could easily hire somebody worse than Manuel if we go cheap.

If we brought back the same team and moved up some of our minor leaguers like Miles and Reed and Borchard and played Rowand, could we win the pennant next year? Would we assume E-Lo, Mark B, Colon and Jon would be a killer foursome? Would these players win next year with a new manager or would we continue to be .500ish or worse? I am just wondering if we'd be better off tinkering than wholesale changing. Remember we are gonna have a new skipper and maybe a better one.

My point exactly Murcie Why can't we beat the Detroits??? No Thomes in the clubhouse.

Good point, Josh, I thought of that after I posted, but I have a sneaky feeling Daubach is through. No more bat and he is slower than Carlton Fisk at age 50.

Is there any way Paulie could return to form next year? He sure did suck. That is for sure. I wouldn't mind shipping him away, but he might be a comeback of year candidate, right? If we could improve our team in some other areas could we keep Paulie? I sure don't want Daubach any more Donkey, with all due respect.

The season ended when we couldn't beat some s*** ass teams like Det. Leaving it up to a 3 game series in the Humpydome was not good.

Everybody has their "I told you so" moment. Last offseason I said we needed Jim Thome. We had to have Jim Thome. He is one of the great guys in baseball, a true winner. We don't get Thome and we again like the one thread said all year had "heartless, passionless, dumbass" Sox. I thought Daubach would bring a presence. He didn't do s***. Frank can't lead, though he had a great year. Maggs is great but no leader. Sandy is too old and punchless with the bat to lead. Paulie had too awful a year to lead. We will never win anything until we luck into a great manager and find some true winners like JIM THOME. Comments?

why wally? he might be a bomb. Tom Kelly maybe? I think Leyland is our guy.

Guzman would be great. He'd be our ss for 10 years

As much as the Sox have disappointed, I don't think I'd boo. It is "just a game" even though tickets are way too expensive and some of the players don't always give great effort. And the fact our owner is kind of cheap and doesn't give us the best chance to win. It's still baseball (see speech in Field of Dreams). That said ... we have sucked and I respect your right to boo.

That's one positive about this season ... at least we didn't have Lofton, Ritchie, Royce and that stiff who started last season in cf. I forget that guy's name. Ramirez maybe?

That did hurt. I didn't know if he was kiddin' however. I tip my cap to Loaiza. He had a helluva season. Hope he rests during the winter and picks up where he left off next April.

No way baby. I think Minnie has a better chance of winning every game out than we do of winning the division. We should start a thread ... do you think we had the team to win the division? I would say, "yes."

Good point, soxfan. My question is: Who can we get to replace him? Is that guy from Japan available and is he any good? Anybody else we can realistically sign as f. agent? Or acquire for Botch via trade? I wouldn't be against replacing Jose, but he has bashed several key homers for our .500-ish team.

I am happy about tonight's win. Big Frank did well; Mark B won again. Maggs had a big homer. Gordon closed well again. The crowd was huge and good. Considering we sucked big bleep in Minnesota and are out of the race, should I be ashamed of myself for enjoying tonight's win?

I wouldn't say Jose is worthless. I agree if we can get somebody good, fine, let's do it. If not, Jose is not totally worthless. Now D'Angelo, Rios and Harris ... they were (are) worthless.

Hope so. I was talking to the Royals' tv announcer tonight. He does Kansas football thus skipped the Sox series. He said Loiza in person has been a sight to behold this year. He said, 'He's nasty.' I haven't seen him much on TV. Has E-Lo been incredible? Go go E-Lo.

that was a great bunt. he sure knows how to bunt. he should be our bunt coach next year.

amazing how many times a guy comes to the plate first in the inning after he makes a bad play. kidding.

amazing how those errors (and walks) will kill ya. Did that take a tough hop on Crede? It looked like it mighta.

Do you think we will bash the Royals? We're due to start winning again (not that it will matter in regards to winning the division). Will we sweep the Royals and place second or do you think the Royals will paste us and the stadium will be full of boos all weekend?? I'm thinking the way this season has gone, we may actually sweep KC (while Minnie is also sweeping whomever they play). Do you agree the fans will get ugly a.) when the sox take the field to start Friday's game and b.) if the Royals kick our ass?

--The reason I believed is we showed some fire for a long time there after the break. We started bombing the long ball. We beat KC five of six and looked like suddenly we did care. We were getting good pitching from the starters, better defense and looked like we were into it. Frank hit some big dingers. I don't think it was wrong of the fans to think we'd continue that kind of emotional play when we were hitting all those home runs. I mean against Kansas City we were hitting hordes of home runs. We looked alive. I disagree we were stupid for thinking we could win it. We had some great wins in there the second half.

Time to blow this group up and start over. Facts are facts == The Twins have kicked our ass for three straight years. Hard to argue that statement. Get out the dynamite.

I mean '67 not 69.