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QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 17, 2017 -> 05:33 AM) Cry about it snowflake. You complain about all these trades we made that are going to allow us to contend for a world series. if we had it your way we'd still have a roster full of austin jacksons, matt albers, and jimmy rollins. and then you'd complain about not winning. hilarious. The funny thing about this site now is its very difficult to search old threads. If some people's track records on these things were more clearly visible a lot of people would get ignored. That's another thing this site could use - an ignore feature. That way I can ignore anyone who's proven to be clueless. No, I blame the front office for acquiring those three stiffs you mention. I want results and I don't give Hahn, Jerry or anybody a break. They charge that kind of money for beer, hot dogs, tickets, parking ... they should give the fans WINS for their money. You sound like another guy who can't handle anybody disagreeing with them. Isn't that truly what a snowflake is? Pot/kettle?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 17, 2017 -> 12:41 AM) Those damn blacks always causing a stir when their people get murdered. Why can't they just shut up and get over it. I want to be able to go to Hot Topic on my day off! Unfair post. I said I was in favor of lawful protests. I'm watching live footage of protestors at 11 p.m. Saturday busting up a business district set of store windows. That's total bulls***. Storming into a mall in St. Louis? Canceling a U2 concert? This will be the demise of a great city. What businesses would come to St. Louis? What businesses wouldn't be trying so hard to leave right now and relocate somewhere else? To summarize, lawful protest: GOOD. Unlawful protect: It sucks; arrest them!!! QUOTE (Quin @ Sep 17, 2017 -> 03:52 AM) "Why can't they protest peacefully?" Amen. Why can't we have peaceful protests??? Bust a window? Go to jail.

QUOTE (Quin @ Sep 16, 2017 -> 08:52 PM) This is a good post. Thank u Quin for being objective. QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 16, 2017 -> 09:45 PM) .390 BABIP is not sustainable. .320 or so could be for him and that should still lead to some decent years. Does he have enough in game power for a corner OF spot? I'm very curious to see what the Sox do here. They need to decide whether to extend him or trade him. If I were betting, I'd guess that they deal him this offseason and try to sell high. Fair position. Hahn has made it clear he doesn't value Avi much with those statements. I bet he's gone. I love Avi tho. Good luck winning pennants with no veterans. QUOTE (Soha @ Sep 16, 2017 -> 10:03 PM) So.. before it wasn't sustainable for more than a month or two. But it was sustainable for the entire season, so now it's changed to it's not sustainable for more than a full season? The goalposts keep moving in this discussion. Great post. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 16, 2017 -> 10:36 PM) And we'll be just as happy for you if and when the rebuild fails (it won't) so you can say you were right. Oh, that's right. You gave yourself the right to jump on the bandwagon if the rebuild is a success. Are u crazy? I am a WHITE SOX fan. I want to win. If the rebuild fails I'll want Hahn fired of course but I'll be SAD. I wanna win now; I want to win in 4 years. I WANT TO WIN. I care less about personal vindication. As a fan I have a right to want the team to SHOW ME. If the rebuild works, great. We win pennants. If it fails, I'll be very upset as I want W after W whether you believe that or not. That other fan who caused your post was saying he'd take great joy in ripping us Avi supporters when he fails next year. Real class.

Anderson nearing .270; he's suddenly one of baseball's finest prospects. Davidson 25 homers; congrats Mr. Davidson, hope you make some money playing this game of baseball. Think about it. Anderson has gone from a dismal season to an untouchable hot prospect. Congrats TA.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 16, 2017 -> 10:15 PM) No one ever gets f***ing paid to protest. There have been allegations that some people fly in for the protests just to stir up trouble. I am all for legal protest. Do u or do you not need a permit to protest in a mall? I'd throw them all in jail if illegal. Businesses are cost profits; people that want to shop are cost inconvenience. I just read this: "The general rule is that free speech activity cannot take place on private property, including shopping malls, without consent of the property owner." If true why weren't they all arrested in the St. Louis mall?

QUOTE (zisk @ Sep 16, 2017 -> 01:02 PM) Would like to disagree with you but I can't. Watched him get 5 hits and 7 rbi's with 3 ground balls through the infield and 1 leg hit. He could easily have been 1 for 6 that night. In a bad year he probably would have. Interesting. I watched a smart hitter pound five hits and knock in seven runs. I watched a disciplined hitter spank the baseball. Congrats Avi. Nobody can ever take this season away from you and it should earn you a few extra bucks somewhere at least.

So protestors force St. Louis police to close down a mall today. Black Lives Matter signs galore at the protest in the mall. If these protestors are trying to ruin a city, good job. Wonder if they'll hit the U2 concert tonight. Is it legal to head to a mall and march through it chanting and all that? Don't you need a permit? I'd arrest all the protestors if it's illegal. I mean protest is GREAT! Do it legally. Do it without harming businesses. Do it without inconveniencing people that want no part of it all. Geez. Ah, U2 canceled the concert. Good for them. Can't risk it. How is this good for the city of St. Louis? If these are paid protestors they obviously are trying to ruin a once great city. p.s. I'll hand it to these protestors. They sure know where to go disrupt things: Expressways, libraries, now malls. Good job. That really will change things. All it does is piss people off. My gawd, how does invading a mall help your cause? Please, police, arrest anybody who is breaking the law in these situations.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 16, 2017 -> 09:43 AM) He's looked like a DFA or non-tender every season we've had him except this one. Going to laugh at all you fools once AGAIN when he reverts to his usual self next year. But hopefully someone gives us something good before then so we don't have to experience that. It's a quintessential Billy Beane trade. Sell high after the career year and get toolsy high upside players who had down years. Rinse repeat. We'll be so happy for you if and when Avi sucks again and you are right about him. Congrats in advance.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) This thread is a perfect example of what happens when we let the trolls run wild. Absolute garbage and negatively impacts the overall quality of the board. What? Explain. Would a thread blasting Avi have been better?

QUOTE (ChiSox1917 @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 11:05 PM) Will not happen to Avi "Mr. Hall of Fame" Garcia White Sox fans ... hate on their own veterans. Heaven forbid we get excited by a guy and for a guy who actually produced.

That's great there is good team chemistry. I would think Rick Renteria is responsible for that. He seems like a good smart guy except for the bunting.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 10:24 PM) Ya people are expecting s*** to pop off pretty bad tonight. It's not too bad yet but it's gaining steam. I got sent home early from work cause my bosses were freaking out cause I live in the middle of the city. Could be a fun night. So far not too bad, although one injury is too bad. Three cops hit with bricks. Some thugs broke the windows at the library. That's just ridiculous to damage a library. It's 11:30; don't know if any riots will break out after the bewitching hour or not. Seems not too bad. Cops are being very proactive. If some protestor throws anything, they immediately respond with pepper spray and start moving in.

OK, it's 4 p.m., Central time Friday and gets dark in 4 hours. Are we looking at the worst case of civil unrest/violence in some time or will the protests this evening and Saturday night be peaceful? Businesses sent their people home at 3; schools were closed today; businesses are shuttering their windows; some owners are armed in case of looters. I will be an optimist and say no violence tonight. My question to you is ... I was listening to Hannity on the way to work and some expert caller said St. Louis population is dipping dipping dipping. Nobody wants to live there cause everytime there is a death there are riots. They said they are dreaming if they think Amazon would even consider moving to such a city. Like the University of Missouri getting hit, is St. Louis crumbling because of Ferguson violence, St. Louis potential of violence? Serious issues. I didn't start a thread on this; start one and move this if u wish.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 06:47 AM) greg NK will not launch nukes... right now they are on thin ice with even their allies. If they launch anything at anyone, there will be destructive consequences and Kim Jong-un definitely likes to breathe... he isn't suicidal. Good. I will take your word for it. It concerns me daily.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 06:23 PM) for a guy who shouldn't have made this roster out of spring training. Yes he should have made this roster out of spring training because his performance has been outstanding! That means whatever manager/coach or scout demanded he make the team was prescient. That person deserves a raise. My biggest pet peeve is nobody can just be unequivocably be happy for Avi. He had one helluva season. So we nitpick. He ONLY has 17 homers. He only is flirting with 80 RBI. He also played hurt A LOT. He had a great great season and for once I wish Sox fans would have a thread simply praising such a season/player rather than be worried sick the team is going to actually give him some money of note. QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 06:48 PM) You need to build a winning team around a core group of veterans. Jose Abreu and Avi Garcia fit that category. Not to most Sox fans on this board. They deep down are saying they want all youngsters. Avi ... projecting forward to our contending years, not good enough. Abreu ... projecting forward, not good enough. Hogwash. You are completely right, El Rockin. Avi and Abreu would be so important to our contending team instead of all young players. I LOL at our fans who just hate the idea of paying somebody like Avi and/or Abreu and yet they'd gladly have given Robert DOUBLE what we gave him to bring him aboard. The LOVE of the unknown player is such a cliche, but it grips the sports world daily and our fans worship the unknown and undervalue the known. They also want Jerry to spend no money (cept for international signings), which is great for Jerry. Please think of greg every time you order a 9 dollar beer at the game and pay whatever it costs to park. Think of my stance on spend, spend, spend please! Bless u El Rockin. You are correct about this and most issues.

I've read all the threads. Many profess to 'love' Avi but it all boils down to one thing. The consensus is don't pay him. And many want to trade him. Even though Lillian put together great post after post about how you need guys like Avi and Jose Abreu to go with the young studs to win a pennant (now Lillian knows how greg feels as the antagonist), very few are buying that. Sox fans don't want to pay anybody cept international prospects who need the lump sum to join the organization, certainly don't want to pay Avi. That's fine. Let's drop the subject. Tell me if I'm reading the people wrong. The naysayers usually start their posts with the caveat "I love what Avi did this year or I love Avi, but ..." The majority opinion is don't sign Avi for more years; for gawd sakes don't give him a lot of money. We are Sox fans. We don't want to pay our own. We don't respect our own (veteran players). We love prospects and we LOVE low payrolls. That's how I read this thread. It's America, feel free to tell me I'm full of bleep. Read Lillian's posts and read the responses. Very few want to pay Avi/keep Avi around once he needs more money. It's prospects we want, baby. Lilian, thanks for trying and your great posts!

They just launched another missile over Japan. Calling China. Please step in. http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/14/asia/north-k...unch/index.html

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 11:40 PM) When it's just words? Forever. Do you really want to start World War III because North Korea said some provocative stuff? Their first strike could wipe Hawaii off the map or even parts of the mainland if our defense system doesn't do its job. QUOTE (Heads22 @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 02:20 AM) Yup, forever. If they want to start a war, we can and will finish it. No reason to fire a shot before a shot needs to be fired. But who gets hit by the first nuke if they fire a few? Their words are fighting words. If we were saying this type of crap to say, China, that North Korea is saying to us, you don't think they'd strike us?

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 09:38 PM) New title: Are we allowed to get excited about Moncada at this point? Sure. Nobody should have ever been down on him. Why? His pitch selection. His speed. His bat speed. The eye test.

QUOTE (ecupittfan @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 01:49 AM) You mean you dont want to trade a 26 y.o. All Star OF going into the prime of their career for a career .250 minor league hitter who has 9 MLB hits so far and is only 3 years younger. Not to mention Avi is a good teammate. Lets put it into perspective. Today Avi got 55% of the total hits that Kelly has in his MLB career. Seems like a really good trade idea. What we need to do is give Avi a decent 4-5 year deal and wrap him up for the prime of his career. Sensational take. QUOTE (Quin @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 01:50 AM) Because Kelly's glove is legit and could be a huge boon for the young pitching. If you want my comment and promise I won't be banned I'll comment. Otherwise I better leave it alone.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 10:53 PM) Glad he's doing well to finish the year because now we know he'll bring back a good player if he gets moved. As always I still recommend the sell high this offseason with Avi Are you one of those guys that doesn't want to pay anybody? Hell the Sox could easily go that route. The core of our rebuild will be guys we don't have to pay for years. If you don't want to pay anybody (and I suspect JR and Hahn are in that camp) by all means trade Avi. I would assume he will be traded. Yes I am one of those who believe our team counts pennies (even tho we signed Robert for a nice check). QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 12:45 AM) How many top 50 position player prospects does it take to produce one guy, who ever puts up a year like the one Avi is having? Look, I love these young prospects and the whole rebuild, as much as anyone, but at some point, it seems like you have to appreciate the rare successes and try to hang on to them. Avi is a young guy, and has many years of his prime before him. I hope that they extend him and lock him up for the next 5 or 6 years, to take him through his prime. He and Abreu, who could ultimately move to DH, could comprise half of the middle of the order, for the upcoming window of contention, beginning in 2019. I want both of them on that roster. I hope that Moncada becomes a Tim Raines, Ricky Henderson type lead off guy. If you plug Jimenez into the middle of the order and add one big left handed bat, you have the run production needed to win a lot of games. Beyond the production, there are a also few intangibles that come with keeping guys like Jose and Avi. Jose is a terrific leader and club house guy. Both could provide some important veteran presence, on what will be a very young team. There is also something about the camaraderie of maintaining a core of guys, and not turning over the entire roster. It is also difficult to build fan loyalty to a revolving door of prospects. I just don't think that the success rate of prospects is high enough to trade away every prospect that works out, for the hope and "promise" of more and more prospects Post of the year. Great post. QUOTE (Tony @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 12:58 AM) Pretty solid take, Lillian. I can't put myself on the trade Avi bandwagon yet. Based on his age, I just don't agree that he won't be a solid contributor when this team is supposed to compete. Superlative post. QUOTE (Tony @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 01:21 AM) 1. I don't think the decision to give him an extension needs to be made in December. It can be made in June of 2018 if necessary. And if you've come to the decision you DO want to sign him to an extension in June of 2018, that ideally would tell us he is playing like the 2017 version of Avi, not the 2015 version. 2. I'm still not convinced his value is enough for the Sox to move him for value. Everyone in the trade Avi crowd seems to be saying the same thing..."SELL HIGH! HE WON'T COME CLOSE TO THESE NUMBERS AGAIN!!" If that's the case, why would any GM offer anything of value? The two statements totally contradict themselves. 3. The biggest problem I have is the idea he doesn't fit with the core. If you believe this isn't Avi and next year he's going to bat .255, that's one thing. I'm not going to be able to change your mind. But if you believe he can duplicate this type of season, but are just worried about how he fits with the "core", I have a major issue with that. Nice post. I agree especially with No. 2. QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 01:30 AM) Obviously, it depends upon how much money it would require to lock up Avi, for the next 5 or 6 years. If it is going to take more than what the Sox would have to pay for a proven free agent, such as Machado, then the money would be better spent on the more established player. I'm assuming that since Avi has a couple of years to go, before free agency, that he would consider signing an extension, to increase what he would make over those 2 remaining years, and acquire some security for himself. A contract that would take him to age 32, would still give him one more shot at a bigger deal, when it expires. One more point, which some of us are overlooking, is the possibility that we haven't yet seen the best of Avi. He has tremendous power. He may end up hitting a lot more home runs and driving in more runs, even at the expense of sacrificing a few points on that impressive batting average. Look, it's always a gamble with any of these players and the huge money that they are paid. However, a reasonable contract would seem like a worthwhile risk. Another winner of a post.

Did you see that fifth hit by Avi today?? A routine ground ball he hustles it into a hit? With the team in the midst of a miserable season? Yeah he gets paid a lot to hustle. Big deal. I give him credit. The guy has had an incredible season, fricking incredible. Did you see his postgame interview with Hawk and Stoney? How sheepish a grin and humble?? This guy should be a favorite of all Sox fans and 'many' want him traded (some for a so-far flop of a St. Louis catcher taken in the second round). Frankly I'm sad by this attitude. Worse but I don't want to get banned. Avi baby!

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 09:39 PM) Because many see STL as a fit for Avi. Give me Carson Kelly and a Hot N' Ready for Avi and I'd be stoked.. Mostly about the pizza though Carson Kelly, lol. Why in the heck would ANYBODY want Carson Kelly over Avi at this point? My gosh the grass is always greener. Why not say Bubba Starling? What the hell has Kelly done so far between the ages of 17 and 22 to make you want him? He wasn't even a first round draft pick which is so important to the rebuild people. My gosh. Talk about undervaluing your own.

How many wild statements are we going to allow? At some point the fighting words will be answered. With Trump as president don't be surprised at some vicious USA response at some point. China? How bout stepping up before we drop a few nukes on N. Korea. Them are fighting words from N. Korea ... again. How long can we just ignore them? https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-thre...-045536190.html

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 06:42 PM) The Tigers have had a nice run but alot of us Sox fans have seen the writing on the wall for a while. With those contracts, s***ty farm and under performing, it was inevitable. I will credit some of you for always pointing out their bad contracts and how they would ultimately suck. You know who you are. Nice job. I hope some of your other predictions come true re. the Sox. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 07:15 PM) I would make a small wager that Avi Garcia is not on the White Sox roster when Eloy Jimenez makes his major league debut with the White Sox. I have no idea if you are an Avi lover or hater, but can you guys see why I get so upset in these threads? In Greg's world, when Avi goes 5-for-5 with 7 RBI and ups his average to .333 I want to read unabashed love for the guy. Read through this thread, except for Scoots it's neutral Avi at best; trade talk galore. His lousy years must have really soured some on Avi. The guy has had a sensational season. Not even an Avi appreciation thread yet. An Avi trade thread, though, would be very popular. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 07:20 PM) Trade. Probably this winter. I think he would have been gone already if Hahn had his way. I don't know why you'd trade a guy that young and that productive unless you want to tank again next year. Seriously. I realize he could flop next year but this year was phenomenal. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 08:20 PM) Usually when teams do this, the next game it seems like they barely eek out runs. But they have been on a pretty decent roll with the bats lately. A roll I can't remember for years. True dat. Sox have been putting up runs against Central Div. teams not named Cleveland of late. But you are right after a game like this, bet the under tomorrow. It just happens in baseball all the time as Dick said. QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 09:53 PM) Whoa what an offensive day for the first 5 hitters. 6 times on base for Yoan! 7 RBI for Avi! Damn That's the kind of post I like bout Avi. Unabashed happiness. If you all love Avi and I'm reading it wrong, my bad. I just sense many want him traded asap. The happiness quotient. ... Anderson: 3-7 today, 2 RBI, up to .258 Moncada: 4-5, two walks, up to .229 (no need to speak any negative words about him any more; as some of us have said all along he's the real deal; the eye test totally tells you that; i love the fact he's selective like Big Hurt) Abreu: 4-5, two RBI, up to .308, are u kidding me? What a roll he's on Avi: 5-5 a home run, 7 RBI, Even Hahn has to be impressed. WTF. Now 17 hrs, 77 rbi; numbers getting up there to where they need to be with juiced ball Davidson: 3-5, with 3 RBI; as a Davidson lover I'll take it Tyler: 0-6, poor guy had a lousy year. Bad back. KC Smith: 2-5, .282 batting average; can he eke out a Tyler Flowers career? Meaning 5-10 years? Nice pension? Hanson 2-5 with a walk. Hitting .225. Engel: 1-for-6, .187, love the way he plays CF but he has no future in the bigs. Can't hit the roundball Shields: Try to dump him on somebody this winter. Seven Ks today; nice job. He's 4-6 now with 5.43 ERA; I'll say this he's way better than Holland. Albuquerque, Volstad, Holmberg: Can't say I care bout any of 'em. GO SOX!