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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) Sure am glad that the free agent market isn't the only place to find a good closer. They can be traded for later as needed or even better, develop one. Hmm, a good example might be the one a few are pining for. Yep, it was the White Sox that developed Reed as a closer. Point is, why go out and sign Addison Reed when it's possible we already have the future closer in the system? The Sox have a ton of lively arms and I see no reason why the future closer will not come from within the Sox system. Lol, f***ing incredible. After all the complaining about Robertson's contract, the Sox find a team to trade for that contract and the next great idea is to repeat that process with Reed? Insanity. I appreciate your post until the end. People complaining about Robertson's contract were out of line, IMO. The man is/was a good closer and worth the $$. Sox dumped him cause no need for him now and get good prospects for him during a tank job. But why would anybody complain about his contract? If we had a good team he'd be a suitable to good closer. We just didn't need him since we are apt to stink not only this year but next. He actually was one of the few guys we've paid big bucks to since the WS that was earning his keep money wise.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 03:10 PM) greg is basically yelling at a cloud, arguing against a stance no one has taken. I've sensed a lot of anti Abreu talk on the site. You haven't? People want him traded. People ignoring his 31/90 like it's nothing. I've given people a chance on my praise Jose posts. Silence. You haven't read the posts saying if we can get anything good get rid of Jose? I've said we need some hard core older White Sox when we get good again to go with the kids. Silence. QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) I am baffled by the posters who still argue Greg isn't a troll. I think they got so numb to his deliberately ignorant and/or silly posts that they no longer even bother to read them. No idea why more people don't block him. Why would you block a die-hard Sox fan. Cause his opinion differs from yours? Sure I get mad when I feel like people are dissing Abreu and Davidson. I get frustrated. So I keep trying to sway opinion or at least get somebody to offer some praise, in this case Jose and/or Davidson. Now a guy like Saladino? In the past I praised him as well. People said he was utility at best. They were right. I was wrong. I admit it and shut up. Saladino is no good. I do agree.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 08:07 PM) So again, Francona or Leyland or LaRussa were worth 8+ wins alone? During a season in the Robin era? Yes. We're talking from Day One preparation in spring training through the regular season. Of course they'd be 8 or more wins better than Robin. Robin was that bad. Inexperienced and pretty much a managing buffoon. Great player? Of course. Manager? Horrific.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 09:08 PM) 1) Reed is better than anybody the team has now in the bullpen, which isn't saying much. This has now become the worse White Sox bullpen since 1970. Sox brass and Sox fans don't care. We're still in the tank/rebuild mode. If we wanted a real closer next year to contend or for whatever other reason we'd have kept Robertson, WBWSF, right? It's not Reed time yet. Sox still want to lose; kids aren't ready and fans are being patient and not putting pressure on anybody to win now. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 09:24 PM) Until the Sox need a good bullpen, they aren't going to spend money on one. They may go dumpster diving for arms this winter, but they aren't spending big money until they know A.) they will be good enough to need to spent, and B.) which starters are going to fail and get used in the pen, and which of these arms acquired as relievers will be able to stick out there. The market for Addy Reed is far from the store the Sox will be shopping in this winter. He is more of the Macy's market, while the White Sox will be garage sailing. Exactly. Sox aren't interested in signing anybody for the big league roster right now. Sure they'd sign guys for the minor leagues if they are young enuf but they aren't looking for real players yet.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) So going from Robin to Rick added 8+ games to the win column? Interesting I'm not saying it had to be Rick. When we got Robin wasn't Francona available? Remember I was talking about begging Leyland or LaRussa to save us?

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 7, 2017 -> 05:39 AM) I've asked several times but you ignore any request for logic yet I'll try again for some reason: 1) Who should they have signed? Name a real life person, not a mythical elite 25 year old stud that will sign for 10 million that I think you picture in your mind. 2) Since the mythical players in your mind are just that, do you not believe in payroll caps or do you think the team's payroll should be 200mil? 300 mil? Is there a cap or should they spend like the Giambi Yankee days? 3) Say they do commit to a bunch of guys just to appease you and have a 150m payroll and win 80 games instead of 70 next year. What happens when those guys flop or are taking time away from a legit prospect 2 years down the road? What happens when you have a solid young core in 2020 but you stupidly committed money to a bunch of aging stars in 2018 so you no longer have any money to fill real holes? Do you not see how stupid it would be to commit long term money to guys now before we know what our needs will be a couple years from now when all these kids make their way up? Also, YOU claiming anyone is basing anything off of 2005 is incredible. You've got me on the first question. I don't have time right now to check all the free agents, who was available and if they did well or not. I know Cespedes and Grandy were talked bout for a while. Were there any catchers available? I forget. 2.) personally yes I want a high payroll. I mean we're not going to win the pennant with all kids. Even the Royals built up their payroll for the recent good years by acquiring some guys to fill needs. 3.) Some may say the ship has sailed right now as far as need to sign free agents until the guys we got in trade are ready. But I think with a good manager we could have kept Sale and Q and stayed the course and made some acquisitions heading into the season that probably would have made us a contender. We had a good closer and two aces in Sale and Q, etc. yes in answer to your last question I see it is probably dumb now to spend money for veteran free agents who won't help the rebuild. Now that the roster has been gutted and we've acquired a batch of studs the only thing to do is to wait for the reinforcements to arrive. However ... in theory do I want the Sox to have a 150 to 200 mill payroll? Of course. I'm not a management guy. This same management team gave us Robin Ventura as manager. They've acquired some horrific ballplayers to make me doubt them. Yes I want them to spend til it hurts. Fans witih 3 kids and wife spend til it hurts. GO SOX!

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 05:49 PM) About as good of a chance as they had the last 3 years of failing at the same goal. We'd have had a chance with Robin out of the way. However, with Cleveland on this kind of a roll they'd still have won the division and we wouldn't have made the wild card. But with Robin replaced by somebody competent, we may never have rebuilt in the first place. Robin was pretty darn bad.

QUOTE (almagest @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 12:43 AM) He's gotta get those walks down a bit but I really like what I've seen from him lately. If he's throwing strike 1 he's so hard to hit. A WHIP below 1 with 5 walks in 10 innings is crazy. I agree; he's looked good and don't forget the Coop influence. In the minors our guys get questionable tutoring. In the bigs, the pitchers have Cooper. Fulmer looked damn good today, folks.

LOL. All I know is I now find out he hit TWO home runs today and has 31 and 90 RBIs. I am AMAZED at the lack of praise on here about Jose. You aren't gonna be thrilled if Eloy has a 31 homer season with 90 ribbies on Sept. 10 some season?? And I watched Fulmer's highlights today. Lot of scorn on this board for Fulmer who had nasty stuff. My eyes can tell me that. Man I'm glad I'm not a stat geek. My eyes tell me Jose is special and I wouldn't count Fulmer out yet. He had some pop today and breaking stuff too. The world would be nicer if fans were all like el Rockin. Drives me crazy the lack of respect for Jose this season on this board.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 01:33 AM) The Cubs had one of the greatest defensive team in history, every single one of their players probably passed the advanced stats test. If Jose isn't deemed a good ballplayer by any stats, I give up. The guy has 30 homers and 90 ribbies and we have a few weeks to go. I'm sorry ... that ain't chopped liver.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) If Stone seems annoyed, that concerns me. Do you think Moncada could be one of those guys (remember that offseason article on him) who is enjoying the good life but isn't gonna put in the work? There have been plenty of guys throughout history who have gotten lazy and complacent upon netting the big bucks. I know NOTHING about him. if he's the hardest worker in the world, educate me. I'm just wondering ... when yu say Stoney seems annoyed. If he's annoyed, he's pretty well connected. Is he implying perhaps Moncada may be underachieving?? To avoid getting blasted on here, I AM a Moncada supporter. I think he'll be amazing. At least Tim hustled hard there. He's out IMO. 3-for-3 though. Nice nice nice.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 06:57 PM) Anderson looks great today. Yoan looks like total crap. Even Stone seems annoyed If Stone seems annoyed, that concerns me. Do you think Moncada could be one of those guys (remember that offseason article on him) who is enjoying the good life but isn't gonna put in the work? There have been plenty of guys throughout history who have gotten lazy and complacent upon netting the big bucks. I know NOTHING about him. if he's the hardest worker in the world, educate me. I'm just wondering ... when yu say Stoney seems annoyed. If he's annoyed, he's pretty well connected. Is he implying perhaps Moncada may be underachieving?? To avoid getting blasted on here, I AM a Moncada supporter. I think he'll be amazing.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 06:53 PM) I feel bad but damn I do not want to win today. But on the other hand, Yolmer hit a double off bumgarner. I have a way to improve your mood. Feel good for me. I want to win today. You could feel charitable on this Sunday and feel happy for Greg Can you believe Abreu has 30 homes and 89 RBI and not a peep in the game thread congratulating him or boasting about him, just a sarcastic comment in the previous post. I'll say it. Jose Abreu I salute you for one fricking amazing season. Spend, Jerry. Sign him up to make sure he's part of the good teams that are coming. Jose Abreu is becoming my Frank Thomas. I love him and all he stands for.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 03:18 PM) Thats correct Greg. I've been on a plane where turbulence did that exact thing. However, kids man. They crazy. Damn I hope everybody had their seatbelts on. Did anybody get hurt badly?

QUOTE (Quin @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) Greg, I love Jose. He's my favorite Sox player (tied with Q) since Konerko/Buerhle. He's just not a STAR that he was his rookie year. Part of that is the team he's on, part of it is his defense. He's also just an incredibly polite and soft spoken man. Jose is a great player, just not the MVP bat we had hoped. And that's ok, because he could still have a (shorter) Paulie-esque career and I'll take that. Good post. Glad to read the love for Jose.

QUOTE (Tony @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:41 AM) It's not about advanced stats, it's about understanding teams exist outside of Chicago and Kansas City. If you guys think Jose Abreu isn't a good ballplayer, I can't help you. I'd love to see you do a study of all the players on last year's Cub team. And tell me who you identify as a great ballplayer advanced stat wise. Or this year's Dodgers. Who can survive the advanced stat scruity nowadays? two or three players in each league? I'll take Avi's season and Abreu's season anyday. s*** even Davidson's season. Give him another 100 at bats or more and you've really got some production.

QUOTE (Tony @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:41 AM) It's not about advanced stats, it's about understanding teams exisit outside of Chicago and Kansas City. People are so jaded with advanced stats they can't even congratulate Jose for excellence in one of the most pathetic seasons imaginable. I applaud him unconditionally.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 05:12 AM) An unsustainable, lucky .300 with limited sample size We love to hate on our own. Jose Abreu, I salute you sir. You play for a horrific baseball team but you have continued to give 100 percent in meaningless games. Jose Abreu is a stud. Case closed.

So Brother Rice scored 55 vs some Aurora school. Does that mean the youngsters have found themselves and they'll win win win? Or is that Aurora school lousy?

How much of Cleveland's success is Francona? Scary how good he is. Cleveland suddenly is on quite a run. For sure the Indians will win the AL. Back to the Series. Will it be a rematch with the Cubs or somebody else though?

Congrats Abreu! He is so undervalued by some fans. The man is a star player, folks. I'll stand by that statement no matter what the advanced stats may say. I love Jose Abreu.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 03:21 AM) Watching Avi run to and from right field was painful tonight. He almost slides his feet. He turns it on while playing but you can see he is struggling. He had two good plays in the OF but after he tried to beat out an infield single, he jogged a little but then walked to the dugout. After this they pulled him and put in Liriano. Anyone else notice this at recent games? Doesn't sound good. What do you think it could be?

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) Meh, i actually don't think Moncada flopping would be disastrous. It would suck, but the rebuild is more than just one player. I thoroughly disagree. If Moncada flopped it would be horrific for the rebuild. He won't flop, though. He'll be great and I think Anderson will figure it out. He's hovering around .250 and still has a lot of homers, etc., during a season in which he's overall been blah at best. Anderson will thrive next season. He has talent folks. Moncada will be fine, but if for some reason he flopped that would be a huge failure of the organization. Huge.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 7, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) His teammates sure loved the guy, which means something. Why would they bring him back? Makes absolutely no sense with all these solid prospects and some of the current guys needing at bats. Could somebody answer why you would accept Melky coming back when we have plenty of outfielders who could get MLB at bats in a season where we are tanking again? All you people who don't want to spend any money at all. Why the hell would you give Melky a contract that would keep him in Chicago 2-3 more years. I'd love to hear from anybody who thinks this is a good idea. Now if you say you want Melky so we can keep losing ... uh, we have plenty of hitters in the minors who could play the outifield next year to help us keep losing. I'm totally baffled and mad when I think about this Melky thing. New age Sox fans who worship the advanced stats just floor me. Sorry for my anger but Melky coming back makes NO sense to me at all. It makes no sense if you want to win; it makes no sense if you want to tank some more.

Shields actually pitches a dominant game. Weird. I don't like him. Abreu is so good it's scary. He's a special White Sox hitter. Always glad to see Avi hit a dinger. Anderson excels today. Back near .250. Man our record sucks. Scary that we are four wins from 60. What a lousy ballclub. Great win today though.