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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 07:33 PM) No, he's not special. He's an aging solid hitting DH who will likely see a steady decline in the coming years. I should probably start a Jose appreciation thread to see what everybody thinks but 100 RBI for four straight years if he makes it this year? That to me is pretty special. How many players in Sox history have done that? Is 30 years old really aging now? Is baseball becoming football? 30 used to be prime time for at least 6 more seasons. I'm really not trying to fight. I feel like Jose could be called "special" for sure. Nobody backing me on this? There hasn't been much talk about what kind of money he's gonna get for next season. I would assume 15 million a year would irritate many fans but 12 would be ok since he made 11 this year. I would think if you were ever going to trade him now is the time cause you could always re-sign him in 2020 when the team is good if you want.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 05:57 PM) Jose Abreu does not return "3-4 can't miss prospects". .294 with 23 homers, 75 RBI and OBP of .346 this season after three straight 100 RBI seasons. He could have 100 RBI four straight seasons. He's pretty damn special. OK, how bout 2-3 cant miss type prospects?

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 04:48 PM) https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kkkby/l...-mount-rushmore intially titled "blow up", changed for obvious reasons after the fact. http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen...0817-story.html winner of two silver stars on our side http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jac...s-slave-owners/ rename Washington and Jackson park http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/lin...ized/index.html Lincoln Memorial vandalized https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/201..._come_down.html tear down Washington Monument, Jefferson Memorial ... I'm failing to see the difference between this and the ISIS destruction of Palmyra. Obviously one happened in a war, but the core principle of destroying history to better suit an ideological/political history is disturbing. That rename Washington and Jackson Park piece on TV was interesting. I'd recommend watching it to see this new movement in action. The guy is right. They must immediately be renamed and the Washington statue must be taken down. I'd say in terms of Washington just rename it for Harold Washington and rename Jackson park for Jesse Jackson and it'd be simple. You might call this trolling, but I call it partly tongue in cheek, but partly not. This is the trend now and you certainly don't want violence in Chicago over something as dumb as a park name or statue. Harold Washington and Jesse Jackson are worthy enough. As far as Mt. Rushmore, again, interesting. How can we honor presidents that had slaves? This is getting crazy for sure.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 05:19 PM) The team will be contending in 2020 and should be at least be semi competitive by 2019. Jose will be all of 32-33 years old. I think he'll be alright. But according to you he's not productive now, so I don't know. He's not a free agent til after the 2019 season. He makes 11 million this year. If the Sox are truly enjoying the rebuild in terms of saving dollars, wouldn't the front office trade him this winter for 3-4 more can't miss type prospects? Arbitration eligible, you'd figure he will have to be paid at least 15 million in 2018 and 2019. I guess they can make him an offer of 12 million by Dec. 1 but you'd think that's kind of an insult since the payroll is so low. The Sox, who figure to finish last again next year and arguably could suck in 2019, could save about 30 million bucks by trading Jose for prospects. Again, the fans love prospects and in this day and age the front office can play the "decline after the age of 30" card in explaining why they've traded Jose. Personally I think he should lead the team in 2020 but we are going to find out how much in love Jerry is with making money because Jose is ticketed for a nice payday this offseason. He didn't decide to enter the arbitration system not wanting to get a healthy raise over the projected 11.5 he was gonna make next year. Interesting ... will Jose be traded in a blockbuster this offseason, the argument being he's too old to be part of the rebuilt 2020 contending team?? But the sneaky reason saving cold hard cash?? You go from paying a guy 15 million to paying some replacement 500,000 the next couple seasons. If he's still good you could still try to bring him back via free agency in 2020. Hmmm.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) False. The performance of Moncada, Lopez, Engel, L. Garcia, A. Garcia, and Delmonico matter now. You don't wait until you're projected to contend to test your prospects. You do it during a rebuild. So, when it comes time to contend those guys will be there if they have proved themselves...or they won't because they didn't. This is simple stuff. This is how a rebuild works. I think that's the case with the lower rated guys like Engel and Delmonico and your Saladinos and Leurys, etc. It's not fair but the case. But the big boys, the Eloy's and Moncadas ... I think even if Moncada hits .200 the rest of this season and again next season would be in the Opening Day lineup with a clean slate in April of 2019 when the team is supposed to be good. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I can't see them losing faith in one of the big boys while the team is mired in last place. QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 02:43 PM) However he's not there yet and I also think he will never get there without a different approach at the plate. ... My worry with Moncada is that he sits and watches too many pitches. It's nice to see patience but he needs to mix in some aggressive at bats. I am calling him a George Springer at best .... and more of Starlin Castro type (with walks) .... Reasonable post, but they used to say the same thing about Frank Thomas' approach. People wanted him to draw less walks. I think in the long run, Thomas' approach and Moncada's approach is the best. Way better than the Tim Anderson's.

You think Lopez will be one of the many starter prospects Sox have that ultimately will be a setup or closer? Does he project to be as 7-8 inning dominant as Gio and Kopech and Cease and guys like that?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 05:57 AM) Just the bringing up of the topic with the A______________N word and the President can trigger a Secret Service investigation, whether it's an online message board or not. Obviously, they have to quickly determine if there's a direct and tangible/realistic threat, but it's in that same category like "bomb/terrorist" anywhere around an airport/plane and "fire" in a crowded building or theatre. I killed my original post and if there's a problem i hope everybody kills their responses. Nobody is more peaceful and God loving than me.

QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 05:41 AM) You've been posting here for years and we've gone to battle many times. I'll give you credit, your "logic" continues to amaze me. Individual performance is literally the only reason to watch this team, and the Front Office would tell you the same thing. I contend though that if we are 10 games out of first at the end of next April, individual performance means very little. How can a player give optimal performance when the team is that bad? It has to affect the little things in your approach. Why move a runner when it doesn't matter? Just swing from the heels and try to homer. The young studs will put in the time and get used to pitching and hopefully do well enough. My point is, all that training will be put to the test when we are projected to be a good team. On April 1 of that season, whenever it is, is when the can't miss guys like Moncada, Robert, Eloy, etc., begin their trial periods. When it matters. I'm not saying Moncada can hit .111 and management will be satisfied but none of it really matters til the team is projected to be a contender. Then the apprenticeship is ova.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 03:09 AM) Wow greg, I think you finally crossed the line. Wow man. Did u see Big Hurtin's post? He didn't threaten him but called the man garbage. These are emotional times.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) The Royals will be blowing up their team unless ownership signs a bunch of dudes to ill advised contract extensions. Somebody's gonna pay Hosmer, Moustakas, Escobar and Cain? The question is which team(s)? KC will keep Escobar and either Hosmer/Moustakas I predict.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 09:05 PM) Dude chill the f*** out. He has ridiculous physical tools and the numbers in the minors to back it up. Does that mean he's going to be the player we all hope? Of course not. But writing him off after a month in the majors is beyond ridiculous. I agree about the physical tools. I can be critical but I'm convinced he'll be a star. The team blows so badly I don't know why anybody would be concerned about any individual performances. Right now is not any type of audition. The audition comes on Opening Day of whatever season we are planning on contending. Until then, who gives a f*** how any individual does? Moncada is just as huge a prospect now as he was a month ago in the minors. His physical tools make him a dynamic prospect like Rowand said.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 09:42 PM) My bad if you just simply used the wrong word. I got the impression you were under some illusion that the White Sox might actually try to compete next year. No this time I simply meant "since" it's a rebuilding year it'd be neat to have Kemp lead off all year.

Awful. Sad. Terrible. Heartbreaking.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 05:48 PM) You said "if" next year is a throw away year. There's no if involved here whatsoever. Simple semantics, no need for you to freak out. I should have put "since" instead of it. My bad.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 05:06 PM) lol, why? Who cares. I just like to see how they are doing now that they escaped GRate Field and the Sox zoo so to speak. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 05:13 PM) You are more than welcome to. I said "I wish." I can wish can't I? QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 05:14 PM) This post is just great. Sums up how greg's brain works perfectly. What's wrong with wanting Kemp in a throwaway year? Throwaway means losing year. Everybody said we're gonna lose next year. QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 05:33 PM) I thought about making this its own topic: cratering the bullpen is a genius method of tanking. The bullpen is not only the most easily fixed component on the next good Sox team, it's also the area you can stack losses (like last night) while some of your younger guys show out like Rodon, Leury and Delmonico did. Just more credit to Hahn really. I don't know if I'd "credit" Hahn for this. But you are right. Cratering the bullpen does assure losing. However ... he'd have gotten rid of all the starters too if anybody wanted Holland, Pelphrey or Miguel. Having no starters works too. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 05:36 PM) You just get denser every year. THE SOX WILL SUCK NEXT YEAR!!! GET OVER IT! I know. That's why I said throwaway year. What do u think throwaway year means? Why can't a guy like Kemp lead off for a year? He intrigues me. Lot of pop and minor league production for a little guy.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 05:22 PM) Yesterday: Today is the bottom of this Presidency Today: Today is the bottom of this Presidency Tomorrow: Today is the bottom of this Presidency I don't think Trump has expressed himself very well the last few days. I think Kasisch is right. He's trying to win an argument basically. He's sort of turned into the mean version of Greg on this board. "By gawd some of those people (white surpremists) are good people; by gawd I like statues. They are just statues. You can learn from history." In other words like me he has his stern opinions but doesn't always express himself correctly the first time so keeps trying to win the argument and bury himself more. He should just resign though. Stern is right. he hates being president. He made his point. Now give it to Kasisch (damn that's illegal; Pence has to take over).

QUOTE (Superstar Lamar @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 06:01 PM) I would be fine if I never heard the Sox and Astros speculated as trading partners again the future. The process with them is fatiguing. Great post, Lamar. We need to see more of your posts IMO. I have been intrigued by that Kemp guy. We should make sure he's the player to be named. Throw in Miguel to make sure it's Kemp. If next year is another throwaway year I wouldn't mind seeing that Kemp guy lead off.

QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 01:51 PM) Why is the removal of statues considered changing history? Trump realizes those people still exist in history if their monument is removed, right? In things called...books? Trump obviously is a statue guy the way he kept calling 'em beautiful. I personally never was intrigued by them. Never have stopped to read the little explanations underneath statues. Some people love statues. He's obviously one of 'em. QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 01:52 PM) Surprised he would support statues of legit losers. See above take. He obviously loves statues. QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:44 PM) It's shocking how many people still can't accept that they lost the Civil War. Nothing about it is American, what they're honoring is American traitors. We should get a Benedict Arnold statute to put with them, too. Good post. It's probably good timing to yank down the statues if we're going to do it, in immediate response to the white supremist losers who held that violent rally in Virginia. It'd be nice if more of them got fired from their jobs. The KKK morons wear those hoods cause they want to keep their jobs; amazing how the white supremists figured they are emboldened by Trump, so they did that rally without masks/hoods and several of 'em are getting burned by getting fired. Let's fire some more of 'em. QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) Didn't you know? (white) American values are under attack! People must fight back before they are extinct. White supremists are sickos, no doubt about it. At this time I don't like to copy Trump and say both sides were bad. But my positions on the BLM people who impose their will on people in libraries, etc., aren't angels either. I was in the car the other day and listening to the Beatles channel on Sirius and enjoyed listening to Lennon's songs about peace.

I wish some poster would make a thread that tracks how all of our former players are doing. I watched Robertson get a save last night. I haven't heard much about any of the former Sox now on other teams. It would be cool to have day to day updates on each of them.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 9, 2017 -> 11:19 PM) Three way tie for second wild card. Actually, Mariners just went ahead by 1/2 game. One of two teams with longer playoff-less streak than Sox. Royals are wasting a big year out of Moustakas. Who would have thought bullpen and starting pitching would be keeping KC mired in mediocrity? The tragic death of Ventura really decimated that team for now and probably years to come. Took away quite a 1-2 punch in Ventura/Duffy. Still such a sad story. I don't follow the minor leagues much at all. I know the Royals are considered to be out of talent down there. But the question is do they have a handful of pitching/hitting prospects who will be good that their future is still reasonable? I figure they'll probably keep Hosmer, Cain and Escobar and lose Moustakas. I guess they could lose both Hosmer/Moustakas if the Yankees, Red Sox or Dodgers want those guys bad enough.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) Anxious to see him after a full offseason healthy, has ace potential still, seems like his floor is a #2 if he can stay healthy Kopech-Rodon-Giolito-Lopez-Hansen 2019 By then Rodon and Lopez will be seasoned starters. Hopefully they will be as good as Sale/Q. Then Kopech, Giolito and Hansen (couldn't it be Cease by then instead of Hansen) will be so much better than Shields, Gonzalez and Holland and the Sox should be set IF they get a good bullpen. A bad bullpen nowadays coupled with bad defense means a noncontending team.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 06:22 AM) LOL No, it's a request to have some semblance of competence on this team. It's a reasonable request. Some people still get mad at losses like last night. Sox are in tank mode. I'm sure Green Sox realizes it but it still can be frustrating to see your team blow games like that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 16, 2017 -> 08:57 PM) It does appear he is coming out of his fog. He's definitely done better of late. Last night he almost got another home run. It was close. I think he's going to be all right. He's probably never going to have a good batting average because of his lack of walks, but a lot of players nowadays don't walk. Salvador Perez gets nothing but praise and he won't walk. QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:40 AM) Which means that if anyone in the bullpen actually comes in and saves a game, he will be gone before the sun comes up. I share you angst oldsox. I like reading criticism now and then to go with all the sunshine. The current bullpen is not even a good minor league bullpen.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 12:20 AM) That's completely false greg. You keep saying that many of these prospects are can't miss and you are certain they will be great major leaguers. That's 100% blind faith in the front office and their ability to identify and develop talent I think they are can't miss. But I also don't profess to be right all the time. That's why I need to see the results in stats and the team's W/L column. I still would not have gone this way of total rebuild so that means I don't trust the front office. Of all the prospects the Sox got who are real prospects, I think the only "busts" could be Burger and I guess 1-2 of the pitchers could get hurt. Obviously a guy like Polo could stink and some of those type guys we got, but they were not the huge parts of the deals. I see greatness for most of em, certainly Eloy, Robert and Rutherford in the OF; Burger could bust; Gillaspie could bust sure; stardom for TA and Moncada and Abreu. Stardom for Collins and stardom for all the starters maybe with the exception of Fulmer. Those pitchers we got all have good to great fastballs and that prevents them from busting unless they get hurt. Unlike some posters I reserve the right to blast Hahn and the scouts if these guys stink even though at this time I give this group of prospects a thumbs up toward being a division contending title team (if we also fill in the holes with a few vets). No way I trust the front office though. Not yet. Don't worry I will give Mr. Hahn kudos if we, as expected, get very good.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 05:17 AM) We won't be bad for long. Define "long." Hopefully Sox will be good the last six weeks of the 2018 season.