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QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 01:51 PM) Why is the removal of statues considered changing history? Trump realizes those people still exist in history if their monument is removed, right? In things called...books? Trump obviously is a statue guy the way he kept calling 'em beautiful. I personally never was intrigued by them. Never have stopped to read the little explanations underneath statues. Some people love statues. He's obviously one of 'em. QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 01:52 PM) Surprised he would support statues of legit losers. See above take. He obviously loves statues. QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:44 PM) It's shocking how many people still can't accept that they lost the Civil War. Nothing about it is American, what they're honoring is American traitors. We should get a Benedict Arnold statute to put with them, too. Good post. It's probably good timing to yank down the statues if we're going to do it, in immediate response to the white supremist losers who held that violent rally in Virginia. It'd be nice if more of them got fired from their jobs. The KKK morons wear those hoods cause they want to keep their jobs; amazing how the white supremists figured they are emboldened by Trump, so they did that rally without masks/hoods and several of 'em are getting burned by getting fired. Let's fire some more of 'em. QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) Didn't you know? (white) American values are under attack! People must fight back before they are extinct. White supremists are sickos, no doubt about it. At this time I don't like to copy Trump and say both sides were bad. But my positions on the BLM people who impose their will on people in libraries, etc., aren't angels either. I was in the car the other day and listening to the Beatles channel on Sirius and enjoyed listening to Lennon's songs about peace.

I wish some poster would make a thread that tracks how all of our former players are doing. I watched Robertson get a save last night. I haven't heard much about any of the former Sox now on other teams. It would be cool to have day to day updates on each of them.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 9, 2017 -> 11:19 PM) Three way tie for second wild card. Actually, Mariners just went ahead by 1/2 game. One of two teams with longer playoff-less streak than Sox. Royals are wasting a big year out of Moustakas. Who would have thought bullpen and starting pitching would be keeping KC mired in mediocrity? The tragic death of Ventura really decimated that team for now and probably years to come. Took away quite a 1-2 punch in Ventura/Duffy. Still such a sad story. I don't follow the minor leagues much at all. I know the Royals are considered to be out of talent down there. But the question is do they have a handful of pitching/hitting prospects who will be good that their future is still reasonable? I figure they'll probably keep Hosmer, Cain and Escobar and lose Moustakas. I guess they could lose both Hosmer/Moustakas if the Yankees, Red Sox or Dodgers want those guys bad enough.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) Anxious to see him after a full offseason healthy, has ace potential still, seems like his floor is a #2 if he can stay healthy Kopech-Rodon-Giolito-Lopez-Hansen 2019 By then Rodon and Lopez will be seasoned starters. Hopefully they will be as good as Sale/Q. Then Kopech, Giolito and Hansen (couldn't it be Cease by then instead of Hansen) will be so much better than Shields, Gonzalez and Holland and the Sox should be set IF they get a good bullpen. A bad bullpen nowadays coupled with bad defense means a noncontending team.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 06:22 AM) LOL No, it's a request to have some semblance of competence on this team. It's a reasonable request. Some people still get mad at losses like last night. Sox are in tank mode. I'm sure Green Sox realizes it but it still can be frustrating to see your team blow games like that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 16, 2017 -> 08:57 PM) It does appear he is coming out of his fog. He's definitely done better of late. Last night he almost got another home run. It was close. I think he's going to be all right. He's probably never going to have a good batting average because of his lack of walks, but a lot of players nowadays don't walk. Salvador Perez gets nothing but praise and he won't walk. QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 03:40 AM) Which means that if anyone in the bullpen actually comes in and saves a game, he will be gone before the sun comes up. I share you angst oldsox. I like reading criticism now and then to go with all the sunshine. The current bullpen is not even a good minor league bullpen.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 12:20 AM) That's completely false greg. You keep saying that many of these prospects are can't miss and you are certain they will be great major leaguers. That's 100% blind faith in the front office and their ability to identify and develop talent I think they are can't miss. But I also don't profess to be right all the time. That's why I need to see the results in stats and the team's W/L column. I still would not have gone this way of total rebuild so that means I don't trust the front office. Of all the prospects the Sox got who are real prospects, I think the only "busts" could be Burger and I guess 1-2 of the pitchers could get hurt. Obviously a guy like Polo could stink and some of those type guys we got, but they were not the huge parts of the deals. I see greatness for most of em, certainly Eloy, Robert and Rutherford in the OF; Burger could bust; Gillaspie could bust sure; stardom for TA and Moncada and Abreu. Stardom for Collins and stardom for all the starters maybe with the exception of Fulmer. Those pitchers we got all have good to great fastballs and that prevents them from busting unless they get hurt. Unlike some posters I reserve the right to blast Hahn and the scouts if these guys stink even though at this time I give this group of prospects a thumbs up toward being a division contending title team (if we also fill in the holes with a few vets). No way I trust the front office though. Not yet. Don't worry I will give Mr. Hahn kudos if we, as expected, get very good.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Aug 17, 2017 -> 05:17 AM) We won't be bad for long. Define "long." Hopefully Sox will be good the last six weeks of the 2018 season.

This sub .200 s*** probably is good for Moncada. It's obvious he is a physical specimen and you'd think his early struggles should help his mental frame of mind. If he's a competitor maybe it'll humble him up if he needs that and he'll be better for it. You probably need to trust your coaches in this game. Don't know anything about him personally but struggling early during a meaningless season could wind up helping him.

Doesn't matter. We're conceding games with this current bullpen so chalk up another L. Again ... fathom could get a hit off several of our bullpen guys at this time. Who cares? L.

I do like Bennetti, but he's killing poor Rowand with all the questions and jokes tonight.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 16, 2017 -> 06:11 PM) Understand =/= agree with. I wholeheartedly disagree with greg's viewpoint, and, as I stated, think his grading is shortsighted and asinine. That said, the concept of his argument is not a difficult one to grasp. Thanks. I'll take it when somebody understands the concept. At least it proves I'm not trolling.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 16, 2017 -> 06:38 PM) What does amuse me is the blind faith people are putting in this front office. Not me.

Ozzie blew it for himself. He's not going to any team again as manager, ever. It's fine to talk, talk, talk, but in this day and age, especially of PC, you are not going to hire Ozzie Guillen. He'll talk about anything as he proved with the Castro situation and no owner needs to take that risk. Managers aren't that important. Ozzie no doubt enjoys managing but first and foremost he's all about the money (as most people are) and nobody's going to hire him as manager. I would think he could get a job as a scout with a team or some kind of job, but he's probably not interested. You'd think he'd be perfect as a color announcer in the booth.

I worshipped Ozzie. Only flaw IMO was the Sunday lineups. Nobody can hire The Mouth That Roared though. Too risky. He can and will say anything once he starts loving the media attention again.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 06:24 PM) I mean you're the one who thinks Hahn has put together the best team of all time for 2020 already. I do believe what I said about those prospects. I think on paper there are a bunch of them that are can't miss. Really do. Based on the eye test a bit, sure, but Eloy and Moncada are pretty impressive specimens and the pitchers' fastball clockings do not lie. Some of them are monsters. QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 06:39 PM) I have encountered a few trolls on this site, posters who are spoiling for a fight, belittling, hurling insults, playing the one-upmanship game, etc. Greg isn't a troll and neither am I. I just come here to check on White Sox news, opinions and to occasionally share my own opinion or ask a question. Unfortunately trolling is a sport, maybe even a lifestyle for a few sorry basturds that have nothing better to do with their time. Thank you brother. I may be dense but I am not a troll. QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 06:43 PM) Also Greg: "Why did they sign pathetic Adam Dunn and John Danks to such a big contract? They should DFA them right now." Whoa. This board KNOWS I worshiped Danks. I supported him til the end. Ask the mods. I was so behind Danks. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 07:23 PM) Greg isnt a troll, despite what many people here think of him. He chooses to make uninformed statements frequently and ignore counterarguments and facts presented to him. He calls people who use statistics in arguments "statniks" because he doesnt recognize the full application of these stats within arguments. Its just who he is. Recently he did toe the line of troll and recognized it and stepped back. Kudos for that. Pretty much everyone on this site is a true white sox fan. You are a great man. These statements are probably true. QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 07:26 PM) Why is it so hard for some here to understand greg's argument? He is rating the rebuild process entirely by the on field results of the White Sox. It's extremely short sighted and easy to disagree with (as I do), but it's not that hard to understand that he's rating the rebuild a 2 right now because the 2016 White Sox are 45-70. Exactly. Finally someone understands my position. QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 07:27 PM) I find greg to be the most entertaining poster on this board. If he is a troll he is really bad.....err good at it? I think he should have his own forum. Thanks. I am a Sox and Brother Rice fan, that is for sure. QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 07:30 PM) Because while he grades it a 2, he also is 100% certain that the prospects acquired thus far will result in what would be one of the greatest teams in the history of baseball in 2-3 years. Those things cannot be combined together Yes they can. One of the guys said he understood my position. I think it was Rowand. Ask him to explain! QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 10:32 PM) If you're only grading on 2016 results of the major league team, a 2 is reasonable, even with all the talent that is not yet at the ML level. Now, it's completely fair to say that method of grading is shortsighted and asinine, but it's also easy enough to understand. That's what I'm saying. QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 11:01 PM) Another 2 things I would not put together If I were 100% certain the Sox were going to have 11 All-Stars on the 2020 team built from 4 trades + an INTL signing I'd be buying season tickets and rank the rebuild as a 10 No, cause I do firmly believe my grade will be changing in coming years cause I believe he's assembled some studs. But the grade is an ongoing thing as SOME on there understand and some don't. I am not a front office shill, folks. I judge them just as I am judged. GO SOX! Thank u for the kind posts.

I can see why Trump blamed some people besides the white supremists. He ripped white supremists and Nazis. He said he despises their actions. What more do you want? I get it. Everybody despises Trump. But what has he done so bad of late in regard to this situation? You know, the hooligans ripping down statues aren't the best behaved people as well. Trump is awful. We all know that but he's not racist, folks. He's just not no matter how much you want him to prove to be one.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 04:41 PM) I am now certain that ron883 is the same person as greg775. Two different personas, but the same underlying person. Why are you guys so pro front office and pro management?

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 04:03 PM) Greg, since the end of the Korean War, North Korea has, to some degree or another, threatened South Korea and the West with war. Since the end of the Korean War, we have avoided war with North Korea. Most foreign policy experts would attribute that to North Korea using threats to get concessions (lifting of sanctions, economic aid, etc.). And most foreign policy experts would tell you North Korea does not want all out war because that would be a surefire war for the Kim dynasty to be removed from power. In that light, it's not surprising that NK has backed off on their Guam threats. An all out war is literally the last thing they want... Good. Thanx for the background. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) They rattle the sabers every year when the US and SK are conducting joint exercises in the area. The worry now is that Kim or Trump or both will back themselves into a corner that they can't really get out of without escalating to shooting. I'm glad NK blinked first. Nice post. Me too. I was happy when I read NK blinked.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 12:43 PM) You're as big of a troll as greg now... It's not trolling to suggest Jerry will be making a lot of money the next several seasons thanks to the rebuild. True they paid Robert. QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 04:03 PM) The trolling has gotten bad. I think the tinfoil hats are causing short circuits. It's not trolling to blast our front office and owner. I'm glad we won it in 05, so glad and I hate to even say this, BUT if we hadn't made that WS and stormed to the title, we arguably could be considered the worst organization in baseball history, albeit there would be a couple other contenders. Granted, we did win it all, erasing the worst organization talk, but still there's no question the Sox have done plenty of things worth criticizing and not drinking the Koolaid does not make one a troll. The Royals annoucers were mocking the Sox in the last season, does that mean they are trolling? What the hell is a troll anyway?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 03:04 PM) SK's President called for a non-military solution and said that any military strikes would need to be approved by SK first. NK appears to be backing off their "bomb the waters off of Guam" statements for now, too. I was very surprised NK finally said something reasonable. I can't remembrer anything reasonable coming out of Kim's mouth before. Hopefully Trump's aggressive stance is, gulp, helping here? I really don't want to see nukes hitting Guam, South Korea, Hawaii and the US Mainland. It'll be the end of humanity.

QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 12:06 AM) Out of Moncada, Eloy, Robert, Rutherford, Collins, Giolito, Lopez, Kopech and Dunning.....The Sox will be INCREDIBLY fortunate for 5 of them to reach their potential. That is how baseball has worked...forever. If you can't grasp that concept, that's on YOU. That would be 5 of 9. Of the guys listed I think the only ones who "may not" reach their potential are Rutherford, Dunning and Lopez. There's a pretty solid skill set on Moncada, Eloy, Robert, Collins, Gio, Kopech. In my world that's six can't miss and hopeful on Rutherford, Lopez and Dunning.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 04:00 AM) It's a bit, his usual tired and old bit. Saying the prospects are "can't miss" and going to all be stars when we know in reality (he does too, he's just being extremely sarcastic) that that's just not the case. This thread has been gregged, like several other casualties in the past, he came in here and gregged the place up, adding nothing of substance to what was supposed to be a real discussion. Any chance at real discussion gets sidetracked by blatant buffoonery on a pretty regular basis, and in all honesty, it brings the quality of the board down with the constant foolishness. Posters are actually taking time to try and explain real points to someone with no interest of listening, while he's just beating the drum of a broken system. I guess to him, attempting to go for it and failing (essentially the last 10 years) and finishing middle of the pack every year is apparently better than building from the ground up by design (while getting potentially high impact talent at the same time). He's just trolling, despite the urge, try not to feed it. I know it will keep happening, because that's where he gets his jollies. He was "supposed to" stop acting like this, per his own post, but yet here we are running the same drill over and over again. The Sox aren't doing what he wants them to do so he's pouting and ruining it (or trying to ruin it) for everyone else. Sorry to offend. I don't see why assessing a low grade right now (2) is considered so off base when right now we are losing. When the prospects start to deliver, uh, the grade rises. Why would anybody give it an 8, 9 or 10 when even as you say we have no assurances the guys will all be great. Finally, I truly 100 percent believe the guys I mentioned are "can't miss." With the exception of Rutherford and Burger they all either are physical monsters or flamethrowing pitchers. The thread is called "when can Sox contend?" I don't know why I'm not allowed to enter such thread. I can assure you my opinions are 100 percent real. I think those guys are can't miss, yes. Then why the low grade??? Because for gawd sakes our record right now blows, it will blow next year, maybe another year. That is MISERY. Once we get good, uh, the grade goes to 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc. Seriously, why am I the bad guy here? I can't contribute to a thread? If u feel a thread is gregged or going to be gregged let me know and I seriously will not post there. I promise ... just say STOP and I'll cease.

QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 01:04 AM) Except he is. I already posted the video straight from the horse's mouth. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=3552428 i can't click on links from this board; one of em sent my computer haywire. (do u really truly believe the president of the USA is a racist? cmon)

QUOTE (Tony @ Aug 15, 2017 -> 12:06 AM) Once again, you refuse to listen to anyone, which is why you are always at odds with nearly everyone on this board. There is no such thing as a can't miss prospect. Out of Moncada, Eloy, Robert, Rutherford, Collins, Giolito, Lopez, Kopech and Dunning.....The Sox will be INCREDIBLY fortunate for 5 of them to reach their potential. That is how baseball has worked...forever. If you can't grasp that concept, that's on YOU. I can grasp concepts but those guys have too much raw talent and most of them have a talent that is extraordinary, such as an amazing fastball or incredible physique and/or speed. There are prospects and there are prospects. That's why I say a Burger could flop; possibly a Rutherford (but you've got so many other outfielders it won't matter if Rutherford flops somehow). Name a guy that can flop in the guys I mentioned? Maybe TA. If you are talking injury, that's a different topic.