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QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) Didn't really spend time reading the responses - but no chance in hell Nicky Delmonico is a contributing member of this team in 2020. Every year there is someone new we think could be a player that sticks around on this board.. Last year it was Saladino and how he just had the "it" factor and knew how to play the game right. How he could play 3B for 3 seasons+ or be a starter on the diamond. Saladino is just another 2-3 year UTIL player and will be gone soon. Same with Yolmer. There were positives earlier in the year and it got thrown around that HE could be the solution at UTIL. He is no better, actually probably worse than Saladino in my opinion. Players than have a chance to contribute into 2020 currently on Sox: Abreu - DH with some time (60) game at 1B Moncada - temper expectations. #1 prospect means nothing now that he'll never be on that list again. He's just a former #1. He's going to be a slightly above average player with the chance to have a few really good years. Anderson - Super UTIL - SS, 2B, 3B, CF - I give him next year to prove himself. Hopefully we wont need him as our starting SS. He's a guy who should play 90-100 games a year in UTIL role Hansen - this is my hail mary. Let him play a lot next year. If it clicks? Good. I think he can play the super UTIL role then as well. For those of you who think this is crazy - he was a more highly touted prospect than the above Anderson. I'd be hard pressed to say in a full year that either is much better than the other. Leury - Same - can fight for the super UTIL role. Rodon - #2 or 3 N. Jones - set up man if not dealt That's it in my mind. Players who won't be on team or shouldn't be... Avi - sorry. Don't want him. don't need him. He can be our 7-9 type of player, but don't want him as a key to our success. Davidson - please don't tell me how MLB is an all or nothing league - he's a nothing. 35HRS a year doesn't mean s*** if you strikeout 35% of time Delmonico - Nope. I know our team truly does suck evidenced by the record, but I find it interesting that the only people we think are any good at all on the Sox are the prospects who've never had an at bat or a pitch in a real MLB game. I'd love to see some assessments of other teams' players. Is anybody acceptable if Jose Abreu is not acceptable? Is anybody acceptable if Avi is not? I'd like to see a list of players on other teams. For instance is Moustakas any good according to Sox fan standards? Is Hosmer? Is Salvy Perez? I know Salvy never walks, not sure about the other guys. Do the Royals (since they are just down the road) have any acceptable players at all by our soxtalk advanced stat standards? I know Escobar must suck in our eyes; Cain must suck in our eyes. Gordon obviously is trash. The advanced stat era isn't very fun cause most players suck.

This has been touched on before, but is there anything to this report that Millennials are a different type group to manage at work? Any managers in here or talent evaluators? Is it true or not about Millennials? Are they good hires or not? From what I've noticed they work as hard as anybody else and take as much s*** from the superiors as anybody else.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 05:15 PM) Yea you know just a little assault and battery, not that that's illegal or anything. Why did the guy say he was arrested? What was he arrested for?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) Mig looked real strong today. He could still help the Sox in '18 How dare you suggest this. He must be traded now (green).

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 11:01 PM) Gonzalez pitched a good game for the win today. This will probably be his last start in a White Sox uniform. I thought we would get at least 2 more starts from him before the August 31 deadline. Now that Lester is on the Cubs DL , I figure Hahn will trade Gonzalez to his life long favorite team the Cubs. Older fans remember when Arnold Johnson owned the Kansas City As he traded numerous of his best players to the Yankees. It went on for years. It helped the Yankees maintain their dynasty in the 1950s and 1960s. I can't help but wonder if we're going to see the same type of situation with the Cubs and Hahn. He recently traded Quintana which should help them the next few years getting into the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gonzalez go the Cubs either. I don't mind these posts cause I understand your frustration. You are being sarcastic somewhat which is ... fine IMO. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 11:10 PM) Dude just STFU and take your insane conspiracy theories elsewhere. He's mad at the team's record. What's wrong with that? Just read his posts for what they are. There are very few of us who post negative stuff, why not read it for what it is. Venting. QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 02:21 AM) I understand that however literally almost every single post contains conspiracy theories, inane comments and digs at JR. Look I'm not the biggest JR fan in the world, he's done some good things, he's done some things that have been extremely harmful to the franchise but I'm not willing to think he's tanking on purpose to increase his bank account, that's insane. He just gave 28 million to Robert for example. And the thought that Hahn is a secret Cub fan implying that he's out to destroy the Sox and help the Cubs is flat out insane. INSANE. That is going beyond venting which I completely understand. Maybe this guy is simply trying to get a reaction from other posters...if so, mission accomplished! That is true, Lip Man. That money given to Robert is really the one thing that gives me hope the Sox might spend some money once they need a few free agents to tidy up the bullpen, maybe one starter, maybe a veteran DH once we get good. I love your work Lip Man. You are a great writer/asset to the board in educating us. Lip Man is all right by me.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 07:01 PM) When you get past all the details of this whole thing, it really all comes down to two things: patience and hope. Every year is filled with that second ingredient, and that is for every team. This year and next and possibly the year after requires patience for our team. This kind of game isn't for those who need instant gratification all the time. This sport is all about development, no matter what stage of the game you are in. In our case, it's just all about development in the first stages of many careers. And we hope that the majority of them end up performing like they are projected to, with some surprises here and there (e.g. Delmonico...so far anyway). True. Patience is a virtue. I will say if they trade Abreu and Avi they are going to try to dominate from 2020 to '25 in a very unusual way. Virtually all prospects and all new players (plus whatever free agents they sign) in that span. Virtually nobody with any Sox history at all (except Anderson and Moncada and Lopez and Rodon who will be veterans by then I guess). Very very weird if Abreu and Avi get dealt. I'm starting to think both will get dealt. Fits into what Hahn has been doing: Trading anybody with any value at all and going for it with all new, young players. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 07:02 PM) If Hahn is a closet Cubs fan who just wants them to win, why would he demand their top two prospects for Q? He should have asked for Justin Grimm and Tommy La Stella. Mind blown. I've finally checked to see how Q is doing. Man, he's only going 6 innings. Maybe that's the nature of the NL with pinch hitters for pitchers but he's not been dominant at all. Didn't see if he pitched today.

Oops North Korea warned of a "merciless strike" today. They're baacccckkkkk, folks.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 19, 2017 -> 05:14 PM) You have to like Delmonico but with less than 20 big league games under his belt I want to see how things develop before getting all giddy. Plus I don't see him replacing Abreu as our firstbaseman El Rockin you have been quiet of late.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 01:38 PM) The off season starts with Hahn trading Avi Garcia and Abreu for more prospects. This will be done in the name of a rebuild. I see it as more of a salary dump to get this team to have the lowest payroll in MLB. All this translates into more profits for JR. This leaves the team with the following lineup: 1B=Gillaspie, 2B=Moncada, SS=Anderson, 3B=Davidson, LF=L. Garcia, CF=Engle, RF=Delmonico, C=Smith. Starting Rotation Rodon, Shields, Lopez and Holland. (Hahn resigns Holland thinking that he'll have a rebound year) Bullpen= The same group who are in our present bullpen. After Rodon gets off to a good start Hahn will sign him to a contract extension. After the All Star break Hahn will then trade Rodon to the Cubs for more of their prospects. Nobody ever talks about this but Hahn is a life long Cubs fan. He never attended a White Sox game in his life until he started working for them. And finally for a job well done (Last place team with the lowest payroll=enormous profits) JR will reward Hahn with another contract extension, It's OK to be pissed off and have a post like this. The team you describe would (no hyperbole) by far be the worst in baseball history. It'd be lucky to back into 40 victories. QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 04:36 PM) This may be one of the most ludicrous posts I've ever seen on any message board. If you honestly believe the stuff that you write, full of conspiracy theories and opinions that have no basis in fact, it may be time to seek professional help. He's venting. Some fans like he and me still are upset we have to go through this right now. Some of us believe the unabashed losing is not going to be helpful to the prospects, either. Hopefully I'm wrong. But you have to admit, the owners do have it made through this popular rebuild. Everytime a salary is dumped, the fans are giddy cause we lose more and also gain can't miss prospects that someday will pay off. It's perfect for owners. They can have the lowest payroll ever, and make record profits and the fans are thrilled cause we lose more. It's really a unique time. Tanking wasn't always popular.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 03:20 AM) Despite what others say, I think we will hit and score some runs, maybe 8th or 9th in the league in runs scored. But the pitching will be inevitably what will hurt us, especially if they keep guys like Covey and sign another veteran like Holland or Shields to plug holes. I do hope they sign MiGo again. But to respond specifically to what you say, I don't think a lot of these guys are "ready." A lot of adjustments need to take place as the league adjusts to them. The main thing I am.looking for in the rebuild is to see how specific players respond to adversity. In baseball, you will fail. How do players take that failure? Talent is one thing, but adjusting is another. Great post.

Bummer. Nicky had a bad game. We stink. You all get your top draft pick. Let's hope we pick a superstar that is a bookend for Eloy for 20 years. Homer after homer, baby.

I love Jose Abreu. I get mad at people who do not love Jose Abreu. What a hitter. What a pro.

QUOTE (Señor Ding-Dong @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 03:39 AM) He's got plenty of speed and athleticism, so range isn't the problem. I think it's mostly mental issues with him and perhaps to an extent his mechanics/fundamentals. He's learning and it all will pay off for him when we play meaningful games someday. All this is prep for him. He'll be OK. He has tools.

I know we are rebuilding but the commish should step in and declare Holland unfit for MLB. It's making a farce of baseball. In the greg can be wrong category ... man I was wrong bout Saladino. I loved that guy. He is a miserable hitter. Glad my fave Avi got 2 hits tonight, but Anderson with a rare (of late) 0 for 5. Just getting caught up on the game. Wowsie, Holland is so bad. Fathom could line extra bases off him. Caulfield could whack a single off him.

What about our rotation? If Rodon, Lopez and Kopech are ready, playing devil's advocate, why can't we build a real pitching staff around those guys and contend? The basis of this thread is we're supposed to hit next year. I will never understand why the rebuild requires us to win 65 games two years in a row minimum when a lot of these guys are "ready." Sign two veteran pitchers for 10 mill a year apiece like the Royals always do, get a few bullpen guys and uh, win?? Is it that hard to sniff .500 in this crap division? I know, it is. If this post angers you, please ignore it. Not meant to argue. I "get it." We're in a rebuild. We're supposed to lose. I'm just playing along with the first post that says we should hit next year. Well, 3 key pieces of the future are leading our rotation ... but they have to suck first before getting good? Modern baseball really fatigues me. If I'm running a team I never do not consider the possibility of winning.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Aug 19, 2017 -> 12:37 AM) Dig deep enough, and the list of people who are truly worthy of a statue or monument would be pretty short. True. It's amazing it took this long to get rid of most of America's statues.

All this stuff has taken the focus off North Korea. I'm really surprised/thankful cooler heads have maybe started to prevail. I really saw the point of no return and global thermonuclear war. Glad to see a calming of tensions a bit.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 08:03 PM) Well if he thinks a guy who rebelled against the Nazi's from within Italy in the late-30's is irredeemable I can only imagine how he feels about my relatives who were drafted into the Wehrmacht. I would love to hear the story of your relatives. Please share on here in long fashion or PM me the story, please. I am a student of history. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 08:45 PM) So now do all the FDR statues come down because of the Japanese internment camps during World War II and an unfaithful marriage? If that's the case, Jimmy Carter might be the only one left we can't assail, yet the president with probably the fewest statues/monuments/schools named after him other than GW Bush. And should President's Day be cancelled? Six states considering legislation to protect drivers who hit protestors http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/legislati...ters/index.html North Dakota because of the pipeline I would guess... (CNN)The death of Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Virginia, has renewed focus on bills that surfaced this year in a half-dozen state legislatures that proposed limited protections for drivers who cause injury or death to protesters. None of the legislation has passed so far. Lawmakers in North Dakota, North Carolina, Florida, Tennessee and Texas proposed bills that would make it legal for drivers to hit protesters if the driver did not do so willfully, according to Mick Bullock, a spokesman for the National Conference of State Legislatures. A similar bill also was introduced in Rhode Island, according to the state General Assembly's website. Great takes Caulfield. Yes, Presidents Day should be canceled now cause of the fact some had slaves. Kill it. Yes we should look at all the statues and take them down if said President did something racist or particularly ominous/offensive. We have to at least consider each statue on its own merit now. It's crazy, but it's America now. Any president that had a slave cannot have a statue. Any person affiliated with the South in the Civil War cannot have a statue. Case closed.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 07:37 PM) Beyond that, no, Jose Abreu is not a super special player. He is a good hitter who does not play very good defense. Please do not consider this a fight. I really don't want to get in a fight about this. But I have a followup question/point. If he gets his 100 RBI for four seasons ... don't you think if a Rutherford, Robert, Eloy do that we'll be considering them stars? Just because they are the unknown prospects? I think Jose, who has been around here a while, is taken for granted somewhat. I consider him a star. His conventional numbers the last four years are pretty damn nice. That's interesting without steroids 30 is real real old now. I'm surprised the union, considering that, has agreed for its players to wait as long as they have to, to become free agents. I would think they'd want free agency much sooner considering careers are gonna be much shorter from now on.

We probably should set a new national holiday when all the statues come down of anybody who had slaves. And rename the parks and different streets on that day. It might start to bring the country together except for the Nazis and screw them. Nobody's got any money but maybe try to find funds to erect new statues of more suitable people. March might be a good time in celebration of spring.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 07:33 PM) No, he's not special. He's an aging solid hitting DH who will likely see a steady decline in the coming years. I should probably start a Jose appreciation thread to see what everybody thinks but 100 RBI for four straight years if he makes it this year? That to me is pretty special. How many players in Sox history have done that? Is 30 years old really aging now? Is baseball becoming football? 30 used to be prime time for at least 6 more seasons. I'm really not trying to fight. I feel like Jose could be called "special" for sure. Nobody backing me on this? There hasn't been much talk about what kind of money he's gonna get for next season. I would assume 15 million a year would irritate many fans but 12 would be ok since he made 11 this year. I would think if you were ever going to trade him now is the time cause you could always re-sign him in 2020 when the team is good if you want.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 05:57 PM) Jose Abreu does not return "3-4 can't miss prospects". .294 with 23 homers, 75 RBI and OBP of .346 this season after three straight 100 RBI seasons. He could have 100 RBI four straight seasons. He's pretty damn special. OK, how bout 2-3 cant miss type prospects?

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 04:48 PM) https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kkkby/l...-mount-rushmore intially titled "blow up", changed for obvious reasons after the fact. http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen...0817-story.html winner of two silver stars on our side http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jac...s-slave-owners/ rename Washington and Jackson park http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/lin...ized/index.html Lincoln Memorial vandalized https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/201..._come_down.html tear down Washington Monument, Jefferson Memorial ... I'm failing to see the difference between this and the ISIS destruction of Palmyra. Obviously one happened in a war, but the core principle of destroying history to better suit an ideological/political history is disturbing. That rename Washington and Jackson Park piece on TV was interesting. I'd recommend watching it to see this new movement in action. The guy is right. They must immediately be renamed and the Washington statue must be taken down. I'd say in terms of Washington just rename it for Harold Washington and rename Jackson park for Jesse Jackson and it'd be simple. You might call this trolling, but I call it partly tongue in cheek, but partly not. This is the trend now and you certainly don't want violence in Chicago over something as dumb as a park name or statue. Harold Washington and Jesse Jackson are worthy enough. As far as Mt. Rushmore, again, interesting. How can we honor presidents that had slaves? This is getting crazy for sure.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 05:19 PM) The team will be contending in 2020 and should be at least be semi competitive by 2019. Jose will be all of 32-33 years old. I think he'll be alright. But according to you he's not productive now, so I don't know. He's not a free agent til after the 2019 season. He makes 11 million this year. If the Sox are truly enjoying the rebuild in terms of saving dollars, wouldn't the front office trade him this winter for 3-4 more can't miss type prospects? Arbitration eligible, you'd figure he will have to be paid at least 15 million in 2018 and 2019. I guess they can make him an offer of 12 million by Dec. 1 but you'd think that's kind of an insult since the payroll is so low. The Sox, who figure to finish last again next year and arguably could suck in 2019, could save about 30 million bucks by trading Jose for prospects. Again, the fans love prospects and in this day and age the front office can play the "decline after the age of 30" card in explaining why they've traded Jose. Personally I think he should lead the team in 2020 but we are going to find out how much in love Jerry is with making money because Jose is ticketed for a nice payday this offseason. He didn't decide to enter the arbitration system not wanting to get a healthy raise over the projected 11.5 he was gonna make next year. Interesting ... will Jose be traded in a blockbuster this offseason, the argument being he's too old to be part of the rebuilt 2020 contending team?? But the sneaky reason saving cold hard cash?? You go from paying a guy 15 million to paying some replacement 500,000 the next couple seasons. If he's still good you could still try to bring him back via free agency in 2020. Hmmm.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) False. The performance of Moncada, Lopez, Engel, L. Garcia, A. Garcia, and Delmonico matter now. You don't wait until you're projected to contend to test your prospects. You do it during a rebuild. So, when it comes time to contend those guys will be there if they have proved themselves...or they won't because they didn't. This is simple stuff. This is how a rebuild works. I think that's the case with the lower rated guys like Engel and Delmonico and your Saladinos and Leurys, etc. It's not fair but the case. But the big boys, the Eloy's and Moncadas ... I think even if Moncada hits .200 the rest of this season and again next season would be in the Opening Day lineup with a clean slate in April of 2019 when the team is supposed to be good. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I can't see them losing faith in one of the big boys while the team is mired in last place. QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 02:43 PM) However he's not there yet and I also think he will never get there without a different approach at the plate. ... My worry with Moncada is that he sits and watches too many pitches. It's nice to see patience but he needs to mix in some aggressive at bats. I am calling him a George Springer at best .... and more of Starlin Castro type (with walks) .... Reasonable post, but they used to say the same thing about Frank Thomas' approach. People wanted him to draw less walks. I think in the long run, Thomas' approach and Moncada's approach is the best. Way better than the Tim Anderson's.