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QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 05:47 AM) They haven't forced a single fan to attend a game. Yes, but the product is so bad they should do something very nice for these fans. Maybe free parking the rest of the year or like I suggested LOTS of free food and drink. Especially season ticket holders. They've totally switched this team's roster and again, the pitchers gracing our mound are disgustingly bad, two or three who arguably should be in the independent league.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 05:06 AM) what are we like 1-14 since the all star break? Winning doesn't mean anything.. but this team has to be embarrassed. I don't know how you could be an athlete and have pride and confidence and go out there nigh after night and look so horrible. Has to be tough. It's very embarrassing and insulting to see the hacks they are putting on the mound and charging big league prices. Our fans are amazing! Management should do the right thing and give every fan who can prove they've been to more than one game since the all star break free sandwich, beer, hot dog or coke. I'd give 25 dollar coupons for food/drink the rest of the season to any fan willing to watch this crap.

QUOTE (zisk @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 09:18 PM) Royals need a bat and a better hitting shortstop. Melky and Saladino would fit nicely. Have read they might want a starter as well. If Migo or Holland were included and we ate the salaries, the Sox could get a very solid prospect or two. Jorge Soler is raking at AAA. There's no way in hell Royals would put Saladino at short over Escobar. That's ridiculous. There's no way in hell the Royals would start Migo or Holland. They are never that despearate. Melky? Yeah they'd probably take him. I'd try to rob them and get the disappointing Starling. Trade Melky and Tito Polo for Starling.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 02:12 AM) If you aren't at least a little worried about him you're lying to yourself. Look, you can't worry about Moncada until the games matter. It's that simple. That could be one year, two years, three years. Who knows? Besides those 2 defensive plays proved he's got a glove which is important. Also the negative side of me says look, Sox fans are going to give the benefit of the doubt to ALL the young guys we got in trades who are supposed to be good. Are you gonna be the one who isn't? This board is full of "the front office can do no wrong" people. What's with the one bit of negativity? The eye test looks good to me regarding Moncada. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 02:19 AM) Jesus f***ing Christ dude, you won't give Moncada two weeks before panicking but want to rush Jimenez from A+ ball in a foolish attempt to win some meaningless games next year. Maybe you should take a couple years off White Sox baseball, because rebuilding is clearly not for you. Whoa. Your demeanor is interesting. Have a shot of bourbon and calm down. QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 02:34 AM) I can't remember someone with worse body language on the mound than Clippard. It really looks like he has no interest being on the mound, and he is scared about what is going to happen next. He's so terrible. QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 03:51 AM) I am just absolutely floored by the ways our pen fails us What pen? They are just bodies. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 04:08 AM) White Sox scored zero runs off their bunt tonight. Keep on bunting in the free world. This bunting is insane. Maybe they really are trying to lose. Renteria has to be a one and done manager with his philosophies regarding bunting. No sane manager bunts. No manager with a team 25 games below .500 bunts period.

Just watched those Moncada plays. Well, you can pencil him in at second for the next 12 years. Those plays showed the kind of defense he can play. Even if he never hit a lick (I'm sure he'll hit just fine) his defense would assure him big league starter. Those plays were absolutely unbelievable. Both of them. Those are cool outfits on Stone and Bennetti.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 12:46 AM) That's not necessarily true. If he is thinking breaking ball and gets heater, he guessed wrong. That happens. He has never faced any of these pitchers, he is learning them as he goes. Dude you have to stop freaking out from bat to bat, he will learn. Fathom's not freaking out. He likes to look at technical stuff and does a good job of it as players progress/regress/maintain IMO. As far as our stud prospects (the first round types; the key pieces in the trades, not the throw ins), I'm just assuming all of them are going to be superstars. It's the best way to survive with Sox fans who are going to give them soooo much time to impress. You won't hear/see me criticizing Moncada, Rutherford, Robert, Burger, TA, Eloy, Collins and all those pitchers.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 07:53 PM) He absolutely does not have a free pass until the Sox are contenders. Assuming everything works out, they'll be contending in 2019 or 2020. Not everything works out that way all the time. It's certainly possible that prospects bust, the Sox don't have the pieces, and they aren't contenders until 2030. That would be awful, but it's certainly possible. Anderson will probably be a given chances into and maybe through 2019, but they'll be looking for replacements at that point if there's nothing from him. How can you judge a guy when the team is this bad? You go to the park and it really means nothing. Sure you might want good personal stats but I'd assume it affects your entire plate appearance. If team is down 7-0 in the fourth and the team is 15 games back of first, how can you care about working the count, etc. You just try to hit a homer. Now if the team is a contender and every bat counts, there'd be more concentration I'd think. This losing stuff can go both ways. You might get a high draft pick, but I would think (not saying I'm right) it would affect everybody on the current roster in a not so good way. I guess trying to earn a big time contract might be incentive enough, possibly.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 06:29 PM) I have a feeling they are looking at making a free agent splash this offseason. KC is not going to let Hosmer walk, but that could open Moustakas up to be swiped. 4 years/$80m seems reasonable for both sides, if not a little bit of a bargain for the Sox. Free agency isn't what it used to be, though. I think Moustakas has hit the jackpot with the timing of this season in which he's become a power hitter deluxe. Boston or the Yankees figure to offer more than 4 years 80 million. Don't you think he's headed to Boston for money we can't even imagine?

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) Although the rebuild, aka; "house cleaning," is likely not quite finished, it's not too early to begin to think about the Major League roster for next year. Almost all of the young guys will be vying for their various positions down on the farm, while the parent club bides its time, and looks forward to a few more high draft picks next June and in 2019. Nevertheless, there are benefits to grooming a few players, who may either become part of the equation for 2019, or be decent trade candidates, used to fill other needs. In any case, someone has to play!!!! In that context, it would be fun and interesting to consider whom you all think might comprise the starting lineup, next year, while we all wait for 2019. Here is my suggestion: CF Adam Engel or Cordell. (Both are Right Handed). My rational is that both guys possess good enough tools and are now too old to waste more time in the Minors, where they would be taking up roster spots, needed for the very promising younger prospects. It's time to find out what they can do. Tilson is another name, but you have to wonder if he can stay healthy. 3B Jake Peter. (Left Handed) His recent emergence as an offensive contributor should boost his stock. I'd like to see him at third, as he is supposed to have a pretty good arm, being a former pitcher. He seems like a good candidate for the 2 hole, because of his good plate discipline and contact skills. 2B Yoan Moncada.(Switch Hitter) I realize that hitting him third may be putting some extra pressure on him, but having Abreu and Avi behind him, should provide a little protection for him, and help ensure that he sees more hittable pitches. DH Jose Abreu. (RH) He is clearly the best hitter on this team. It's time to see if he can still be productive, while DH'ing, as that is likely to be his long term role, once the rebuilt team matures. RF Avi Garcia. (RH) If he can finally realize his power potential, and learn to take his walks, he may be worth extending, but if not, he could be traded to fill any hole, in the next wave. LF Nick Delmonico/Cody Asche (Both bat LH) The lineup needs another left handed hitter, and I'd like to see if either of these guys could produce at the next level. They are both having pretty good years, at AAA, especially vs RHP. Maybe one of them could platoon with Willie Garcia, whom I like. 1B Matt Davidson (RH) He has established himself as a legitimate power threat, but probably is better suited to first base, than the hot corner. C Omar Narvaez (LH) I like his plate discipline and ability to draw walks. You may be surprised to know that he leads the team in OBP, even if he has no power. I'm not sure if he's good enough defensively. ???? SS Time Anderson (RH) Well, he is signed long term, so these next 2 years are his chance to demonstrate that he can be part of this promising Sox future. I am still convinced that he must develop better plate discipline, if he is ever going to realize his potential. If not, SS will be a hole, going into that window of contention, starting in 2019 or 2020. You'll note that this projected lineup does not include the acquisition of any veterans. I don't see the point in taking that route. Let's see who can either be part of the future, or provide a trading chip. Sanchez and Leury top my list for the bench. That leaves the pitching, which is going to be very interesting. Unless they start bringing the prospects, it's hard to imagine who is going to fill out the rotation, as well as the bullpen. That would be another interesting discussion. Any suggestions?? It depends. If the Sox truly do want to finish last again, wink wink, your post is beautiful. That's a 40 win team (depending on the pitching staff I guess). If you go with the type of starters they had this year (your Holland, Pelfrey, Shields taking 3 of the 5 slots) and don't use a real closer, it's a 40-45 win team. If you are actually trying to win, well your lineup may be quite different.

I can imagine Anderson will be judged two different points of his career. a.) How he is doing as a member of one of the worst teams in baseball. b.) How he is doing as a contender. He has a free pass til the Sox are contenders. At that point, he'll be re-assessed again. Same with Rodon, all the first-round prospects we've acquired. They won't truly be judged til we are contenders and their performance means something. Moncada could hit .100 up until the point we are considered a legitimate team. At that point and only that point would he be judged. Anderson has a free pass right now. He should take advantage of it. I do stand by my comment that he should take off the rest of the season to properly get help for losing such a close friend. He could go play some lower level ball by his hometown to properly mourn. This is serious emotional stuff he's been through and if he needs help he should get it. Best wishes to TA.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 07:52 PM) I guess you can't spell Holland without the lol. Good line. He wouldn't be a good Independent League pitcher right now. He's rich, though, so he deserves credit for being set for life.

Nice hit by Moncada.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 01:49 AM) Demote, what an incredibly disappointing season The young guys will have to get used to trying to work on their own games and excel in spite of the fact they come to the park realizing there's no chance of winning. That has to be tough to get used to. It has to affect your performance when the team you play on is one of the worst if not the worst in baseball. It's probably one reason to just keep all the prospects in the minors until 3 seasons from now, then start the season with all of them raring to go. Not saying it's impossible, but good luck to our young guys playing on such a miserable, pathetic team.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 02:41 AM) Kelly is as unhinged and paranoid as the rest of them Hmmm. You guys laugh at me when I talk about the danger of getting your head chopped off in a movie theatre, mall, anywhere.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 11:45 PM) I'm in my mid 20s. Honestly, those statistics match what I see from my age group. Coke is pretty prevalent. Is it true almost 100 percent of NBA players use marijuana? What's your age group like with marijuana? Is it more popular than drinking? Give us a societal update on alcohol/drug consumption with 20 somethings please. And is beer no longer considered cool? I heard beer sales are in trouble cause millenials want hard drinks at the bars, wine popular outside of bars.

Poor Royals. They have to play Boston while Cleveland gets to sweep without sweating. This actually has a bearing on the race. When do you get to play the Sox and when that's happening, who are the other 2 conenders playing? If Boston sweeps KC, they'll drop 3 games to Cleveland in the race. That is huge.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 04:13 PM) The zoo is still free in Chicago. Brookfield is the good zoo and not free. It's expensive. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 05:07 PM) I will not re-up next season. I still have 12 games left. It's jsut a waste of time now. I'll come back when they come back. Especially last night with Cubs fans. This woman about 25 was making blood curdling screams about 3 rows behind me, for about 3 innings almost non stop. A guy with his son, Blue Jays fans, asked her very politely if she could tone it down. Of course not, she paid for those seats. Finally security arrived at first saying they really couldn't do anything since the most vulgar she was was Sox suck screaming at the top of her lungs, just to piss people off. Finally they spoke to a few people who apparently matched stories and went to see her. She starts crying, but at least shuts up. I may not like people cheering for the Cubs at GRF, but this was something beyond and it wasn't only once or twice. It was for like an hour, and security wasn't going to do anything. I was miffed. I love these kind of posts and rarely ever get to read them. This is amazing. WTF with the screaming Cub fan? QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 07:15 PM) What the White Sox have to hope for is that a young generation of fans start following them in order to gain favorable attendance in 2020 and beyond. I'd love to hear from millenials. Supposedly baseball is dead to millenials and they will not pay money to see a baseball game. It's way too boring for millenials.

Folks, N. Korea sent up another missile today in the a.m. Folks, you may hate greg but you have to admit I tend to have the right take on calamity issues such as these. My prediction is we are gonna wake up one day soon to an incident so catastrophic (caused by us) that it'll be 50/50 whether there is an immediate war. Folks, Trump and the military are going to drop something on North Korea called a bomb. The question is what kind of bomb. And Korea will immediately lob a bomb at South Korea. At that point, all bets are off as we assess damage. China's take? Russia's take? North Korea's overall take? Depending on their takes will be how big the conflict/war will be. Does anybody deny this?? Korea keeps testing missiles/bombs and we have an aggressive pro military guy in the White House. Trump is gonna do something, folks. Tell me he isn't.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) Rays and Royals are the teams that make the most sense to me, maybe the Pirates but not a whole lot of fits for Melky. The best case scenario (for the white sox) is someone's starting OF'er getting hurt between now and the waiver deadline. Really, the longer we have him and the more of his salary we pay the better the return will be. would the Royals give Bubba Starling for Melky and Miguel? Starling is another first round pick thus far a bust. Melky is worthless to the Sox about now since I got reamed on here for suggesting we could sign him to a veteran minimum deal next year and I was told he's an eight-figure contract guy still. Miguel is worthless to the Sox, but on a whole different plane than those stiffs Shields and Holland. I'd take Bubba for Melky and Miguel. Why not?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:13 PM) Yes, I just went last Saturday but have to go back to China Sunday. 3 LF bleacher tickets x 29=$87 Parking=$20 Irish nachos, three Cokes, two corn dogs=$37 Lemonade=$7? $151 total for family of three and 2 1/2 year old. Plus MLB Gameday Audio, TV and MILB subscriptions. Bought Extra Innings for family friend with Direct TV, $129.99 Happy? The main point is the attendance has been much higher than almost everyone predicted...nobody was projecting increases, not that I ever noticed. You should have told sox talk you were going. Surely somebody could have gotten you in cheaper than that? 151 bucks for a game. I guess the zoo is expensive now. That might have been similar costs. Movie woulda been much cheaper in the A/C. Don't know what the aquarium costs now or the museums.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 04:54 AM) I liked it better when the plan was to trade our star veterans for young major-league ready or on the cusp of being major-league ready studs. Remember last year when Hahn was reportedly holding out in talks for guys like Mookie Betts, Benintendi, Carlos Correa, etc.? The consensus then was that teams would be willing to trade young players in the off season but not in the heat of a pennant race. Well, I guess teams held out on giving up higher level prospects for proven young stars like Sale, Eaton and Quintana so Hahn settled for trading for younger, rawer prospects who certainly have upside but also have a greater chance of not making it in the big leagues. Now the Sox are in a situation that they are willing to be terrible for a few years waiting for these prospects to develop. But if these guys don't develop as planned, the Sox are going to be terrible for many more years. You speak the truth.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 03:45 AM) the tank is on for sure.... However I'm not sure I've seem many teams in my life as bad as we are now.. It doesn't really matter.. but wow is this team horribad. I don't know why people say it doesn't matter. All seasons go down in the history books and if the rebuild doesn't result in excellence you better believe Jerry will remember the embarrassing records in 2017 and 2018. Better hope the lineup of Eloy in left, Robert in center, Rutherford in right; Burger at third, TA at short, Moncada at 2B and Abreu at first and Collins catcher and Avi DH to go with 5-6 outstanding arms equals 100 victory seasons.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 04:00 AM) I remember 1970 all too well. 56 -106. I never thought I'd have to live through a Sox season that bad again. It's really disgusting to have a team this bad. Team has won one game since Q left.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:36 AM) Worst Sox team possibly worst mlb team I've ever witnessed. By season's end should be the worst team in modern Sox history, no hyperbole there. Sox lost 102 games in 1932, 101 in 1948 and 106 in 1970. Just 3 teams in Sox history have lost 100 games. Very sad.

Nice home run. Hopefully he'll tag many many more. He looked OK at second base also. Not a butcher.