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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 08:30 PM) First and foremost I think now is the best time to trade Q. He's pitching a lot better and won't have as much value next off season compared to now. I think it's a given that Robertson is traded, but the rest I've been having some trouble with Quintana Potential Suitors: Braves Brewers Yankees Rockies Astros Dodgers I really believe Quintana will be trade to the Yankees for OF Clint Frazier, RHP Chance Adams, and OF Estevan Florial. This trade gives the Sox a top 25 prospect highlighted bat in Frazier, a 2-3 rotation starter in Adams, and Florial about 3 years away and hopefully lock down another OF spot. Robertson Potential Suitors: Diamondbacks Red Sox Yankees Nationals Rangers I have the Nationals sucking it up admitting their faults and trade for Robertson for SS Carter Kieboom and LHP Jesus Luzardo. This trade gives the Sox much needed prospect depth in the middle infield who has good potential and Luzardo a lefty to fill the pitching pipeline that when healthy can be TOR potential. Frazier Potential Suitors: Red Sox Yankees Cardinals With the rumored interest in Donaldson from the Cardinals, I think they could be a great fit for Frazier as he already knows the NL and specifically the NL central. Frazier to the Cards for RHP Jake Woodford Cabrera Potential Suitors: Yankees Royals I think Melky will be an August trade chip, but I see the Royals as the best fit for him. He has played there before, and they can use another bat and help out in the OF with or replacing the slumping Alex Gordon. Cabrera to the Royals for LHP Foster Griffin. Holland, and Gonzalez probably won't net much if anything at all so I wouldn't even know where to start. But what are your guys thoughts on mine and what can you come up with? Not bad, but why pitchers? Sox seem to have a lot of pitching prospects if you include Rodon and Fulmer and Rodon has been doing better of late and looks nasty at times. I'd prefer a return of catchers, outfielders and shortstops. We could always move Anderson to third or second if we get some amazing shortstop. Why not all position players in return, especially an elite catcher? I wonder why you include pitching in the return?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) Take whatever position you want, greg. But stop being so goddamn patronizing with your "stat-niks, draft-niks, and HAN LOVERS" comments. You're directly insulting people -- I don't know why you wouldn't expect angry responses. Yep I'm also dropping those words. I was pissed almightily at the Sox and still am, but am finally over it. I realize we probably are going to suck for 2-3 more seasons and it's wait and see on all those young pitchers and how they perform when they come up. Hopefully those young pitchers will make me forget the era of Shields, Holland and Pelphrey and Miguel, etc. I prefer Black Jack, Sale, Buehrle and Britt Burns (at least the one that mowed down Baltimore for 9 innings).

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 04:28 AM) No team is taking on Verlander's contract in a trade at this point. He's owed a ton of money. Why are we hearing his name so much?

I actually didn't realize til just now in checking the game summary we almost got no hit today in Colorado of all places. I saw the headline on mlb about the near no-no, so I watched the highlights. That was a nice base hit by Melky. That starter blew away the first hitter in the ninth. Good solid base hit by Melky. That would have been bad to get no hit the game before the all star break IMO. Sox really had a bad record the first half, but actually didn't seem as bad a team as 38-49. Not just saying that cause I'm trying to be a kinder, gentler poster. 38-49 is truly a bad record. My guess is the journeyman/excessively putrid starting rotation is starting to show in the overall record. Not trying to rub it in, but Robin has to be happy he's not the commander of this ship right now. I'd have to study the stats/averages before giving out my official grades but without scouring the stats at this time. From the eye test in a season where I haven't paid as close attention as past years. Starting pitching: D-plus? Bullpen: B. Hitting. B to B-? Defense: D.

10 runs in the first inning, packed crowd, that's crazy. I watched the highlights. Sounded like a few boos or at least groans.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 01:50 AM) You are potentially more reasonable than a certain statewide-elected officer we all know and love, famous for his austerity policies. Definitely more reasonable than Ozzie after winning the World Series! And assistant managers at approximately 75-80% of local neighborhood Applebee's franchises? Ozzie is the "mouth that roared." You roar once too often and you never work again. If any of you miss Ozzie's quotes I found the last real story by ESPN last year on how he wants to manage again. If you miss Ozzie's quotes, read it closely, you'll see some doozies again. I like the part where a source says he watched too much bullfighting on TV in the Miami manager's office and Cora was the real manager. The one unnamed basebal executive put it best saying, "There's too much risk in what he would say or do, and I don't want to deal with that, honestly. If someone hires him, it might be because they think it will generate interest in their club. I think it's more of an owner move than a general manager move.'' http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/1642590...anager-openings

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 01:51 AM) Seriously. I'm getting tired of teams helping Detroit out with their s***ty contracts. I'm still pissed about them getting out of that Fielder contract years ago. I know. I used to rail on and on about contracts and how dumb owners are cause it almost always ends up like this: Which is the team wanting to dump the guy. So Verlander makes 28,000,000 next year, then 28 mill in 2019 and 22 mill in 2020. I guess he's still "pretty good" but his era is 4.7 which is not good enough for that money, is it? Is anybody really going to take on that amount of dough? Cubs?

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 01:40 AM) BWHAHAHAAAAAA....geezus...I almost spit beer out my nose on that! hahaaa... It's nice that many people are giving me a second chance to become a more reasonable poster now that I have gotten over my Sox anger issues. It proves the world is not always mean after all.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 12:55 AM) As opposed to making the worst possible posts for years... I killed that long mean post about Hahn if anybody wants to kill the responses to it that show it. I think I finally got all the anger out of my system if it's not too late to become more reasonable.

As much as I was and am against the rebuild, Sox traded Sale so now Sox have to trade Q. Otherwise Hahn would be fired as not seeing through his and the organization's vision of a rebuild process that certainly has already been outlined and is part of current team policy so to speak. In the eyes of the rebuilder it boils down to this. Will the position players you get for Q be more valuable to winning a world series in a rebuild situation than somebody close to being an ace pitcher (Q)? Because Q would definitely project to be on the staff when the team according to outlined plan is next vying for a WS title. Q turns 29 before the start of next season. A guy like Quintana probably projects to pitching very well for at least five more seasons which would only take him through his age 33 season. He could pitch well seven more seasons which would take him through his age 35 season. Now even the hugest fans of a rebuild would admit the Sox project to be contenders in 3-5 seasons. At that time you probably will have to acquire somebody like Q in free agency to go with all the young talent on the mound. Maybe not, but maybe. The question is, do you want a 32 year old Q or 33 year old Q anchoring the staff or is it more valuable to worry about finding a Q-like staff anchor at that time (of contention) and in the meantime acquire 3-4 position players would could be key everyday players on the rebuild WS contender? Obviously the Sox clearly have decided on the latter scenario. If you don't trade Q, yes you project to have him as ace in 4 years when the team is contending for a WS title, but you do not have the young guys he could have brought via trade, at least one projected to be a huge bat to go with Moncada and Abreu. My point is ... it's obvious the Sox have chosen the latter course. They are planning on trading Q for as much young talent as possible and if the young starting pitching needs a veteran ace so to speak to anchor that rotation in 3-4-5 years, worry about that then. My conclusion is Hahn has chosen the second course so it is obvious Q will be traded. Rodon, by the way, will be 29 in five seasons and Fulmer 28 during the period of time the Sox are supposed to contend. Interesting that they will not exactly be young pups but the age Q is now. Now if Sox contend in 3 seasons they will only be 26 and 25 respectively. p.s. If this post made no sense then my bad. I do have a slight headache today for some reason.

QUOTE (Nardiwashere @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 04:06 PM) They were good enough to win this year but you dont think two of the major pieces are any good? I'm only responding to posts made since I decided to calm down. Haven't you noticed a less obtuse poster?

Yolmer

Sometimes like tonight it seems like the Sox have a better team than their record. I guess Hawk is right about the 60 wins no matter what you do and 60 losses then you define your season in the other games which in our case are probably a cluster of losses. Good to see Anderson looking special of late. And Abreu having another strong season.

It's really almost depressing to read these reviews about United. I realize if your trip is "OK" with no real problems you are probably not apt to post a review but wow. It's almost embarrassing this is an American business. https://www.yelp.com/biz/united-airlines-sa...isco-2?start=20

Abreu is a superstar. Or close to one.

Anderson with the bomb. Nice blast. Nice stroke.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 02:49 AM) I would hope we never see that. It takes away from the integrity of the game. But. It is now 10-1 I don't mind it, El Rockin, but it's cool you don't. The other night some guy was throwingi 57 mph and it was funny. If you are down 10-1 or so it's kinda funny IMO.

At least we're probably going to get to see that position player pitch. My guess is Yolmer. Melky would probably be funniest though. He seems like he'd enjoy it with his carefree attitude, smile, etc.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 11:36 PM) Greg, those are quotes from a five-story tall American war robot named Liberty Prime from the video game Fallout 3. They seem appropriate though.

If this score holds up or gets a little worse I wonder which Sox position player would pitch late in the altitude? Usually if you are down by 9 or so on the road it's possible position player pitcher time which is entertaining. Probably Yolmer.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 01:59 AM) That's what we tried doing with Peavy a few years back. That's right. I forgot about that.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 07:18 AM) AMERICA WILL NEVER FALL TO COMMUNIST INVASION BETTER DEAD THAN RED DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE Cool post. I will bear arms to defend the (less than) great State of Kansas if called upon. We have no other choice.

I'm surprised some teams don't try to acquire players earlier to get more out of them so to speak. But it's another form of "baseball tradition" I guess. Most of the deals are near the trade deadline.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) During the rebuild we will need to hang together as we suffer through some miserable seasons. Hopefully the pain and agony is manageable. I will say it is much easier to accept losing knowing that the organization has made rebuilding the clear priority with the Sale and Eaton trades. A higher draft position will only help us in the future. Pain and agony may be melodramatic or may not be. I've been furious at the team and need to calm down and see what happens. I apologize for any anger I've caused in responding to my anger. It's just a game and I need to trust Hahn a bit as obviously he's not a dunce to get this far in life.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 08:14 PM) Clean slate...you got it. I get it...no one is happy we're in this position, but it's something that every franchise faces from time to time and we're all along for the ride. Love it or hate it, at least they have picked a direction (that has worked for many) and are going in it. All we can do is sit back and watch at this point--watch how the future slowly comes together. It won't be perfect, but you have to admit...our strategy as far as team building philosophy was getting quite old. Bouncing between 70-80 wins for the better part of a decade calls for mega changes to be made. If that means we have to endure a few 60-70 win seasons to get a stretch of 90+ win seasons down the road, it's something to try a different approach to go after. Stick around, no one wants to see you go--you've made it through the toughest years--the years that made us all angry! Now, they're finally doing something about it. This is the real "all-in" White Sox. All in on a plan to get us a better team. Yeah, I'll have to accept it. At least I know my position is well known by now and I'll have to stifle and merely comment on what I think of the trades. And thanks for the clean slate. I am finally accepting the fact my anger is not healthy for me or people who have to read my angry responses. It truly has taken me until mid July to get it off my chest. So I must stop and try to enjoy the ride and maybe the improvement of Anderson and Avi and some of the players.