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What are Cub fans like this season? Do they just assume they will repeat? Now that they have a WS title are they like most fans and are yawning through the regular season assuming this is another eventual WS title team?

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 10:21 PM) Anybody else surprised by the general attitude towards Melky's trade value in the media? I'm not suggesting he has a ton of value and should net us a top 100 prospect, but I keep reading that he has pretty much 0 value. Mlbtraderumors had an article about tradeable Of'ers and suggested we'd have to pay all of Melky's contract just to be able to get rid of him. Am I missing something? He's top 14 in OPS among AL Of'ers (and that's including a slow 1st 100 ab's) and isn't THAT bad in the field. I definitely wouldnt call him good in the field, but he's not an absolute butcher in the field that hurts the team either. He's a flat out professional hitter that can give really good AB's to most contenders for the rest of the season in my opinion. Or am I wrong on this? And I'm usually more pesimistic about sox players than most. He's had a good year for him no doubt about it. He'd probably be good to sign on a minimum deal for next season since Sox are still in midst of rebuild. Nobody's going to sign him for real money. Give him MLB veteran minimum and let him patrol left one more year as Sox lose. I now love the Melkster ever since he continued playing after taking that ball in the face, but nobody else is gonna pay him either. What's the MLB minimum anyway? One year, $2 mill contract?

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 07:05 PM) Time to accept reality, Greg. Winning games at this point does no good. The White Sox are not making the 2017 playoffs. I love the thrill of victory, though, and watching the walk off celebrations and seeing guys like TA or Davidson win games via the walk off or stellar overall play. Also I don't like some of the opponents much such as the Royals, Twins, Cubs.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) I'd say he's worth his contract if he gets us from the #3/4 pick to the #1 pick. Why are these kind of troll posts acceptable when mine aren't? A post like this is worth nothing except to make me so mad that I want to respond. But I won't take the bait this time. We get it. You want us to lose every game. I want to win every game, so there's a difference of opinion. That's all. p.s. You didn't need Clippard's contract to lose. There are plenty of stiffs in the minors you could bring up to accomplish the same thing as Clippard BTW. Plenty of bodies who will lose you games on the cheap.

QUOTE (zisk @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 06:48 PM) Melky,Swarzak and Saladino for Jorge Soler. Royals need a bat a reliever and a shortstop. Alcides is really bad at the plate. If Soler does OK in left for the Sox he could help a bit. I'd hate to lose Tyler but his back probably will get worse with age. If you are trading those three to the Royals, get Bubba Starling and call it a day, not Soler. Royals would probably throw in Soler as they desperately want to get rid of him, if you must have Soler for some reason. Saladino is a way better hitter than Soler and Saladino is no good.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 11:52 PM) I want the Sox to get the highest pick possible next year, but for the next four days, I hope the White Sox win each and every game with four quality starts and Yoan Moncada raking doubles and homers. Bless you flavum! QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 12:08 AM) A four game win streak would be really nice right about now. Bless u Black Sox! QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 01:59 AM) Followed by a 12 game losing streak to balance it out. Well, I disagree with that part but you want us to win these games so bless u Dam! QUOTE (InTheDriversSeat @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 02:45 AM) If the White Sox and Cubs split the series, White Sox get to keep the Crosstown Cup because a tie goes to the winner of the previous year. That's all I care about: keeping the Crosstown Cup! Awesome, Drivers Seat! You rock! QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 24, 2017 -> 03:51 AM) The Cubs need to lose 3 of their next 4. Love it, son of a roach! You da man! Go Sox!

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 09:19 PM) Infante just turned into scrambled eggs. Two runners on and no outs. Here comes Tyler Clippard. Strangely I do not feel good about our chances We should start threads for just the two of us and anybody else who wants to win games now. Seriously. Think how cool it'd be. We could discuss the current team's chances of winning games; and the others wouldn't have to see our posts about wanting to win games. I love El Rockin!! The best fan in the history of the White Sox, or one of 'em!

QUOTE (Superstar Lamar @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 06:10 PM) I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox were able to move him for something, even salary relief over the next few weeks. The eye test the last 2 games in Kansas City suggest otherwise. My gosh he's a bad pitcher.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 05:44 AM) Glad to see the "new" Greg lasted a whole week. Once a troll, always a troll... For the life of me I can't understand why some people can't accept a difference of opinion. I've praised the s*** out of the prospects we got and the direction of the team. I will never acquiesce and say I think the draft is so imporant there's a big difference between the 2nd and 10th pick. Nobody even tries to understand my points. Just because I don't agree with you or the masses shouldn't make me evil, but it does. As u know I'm not a big rebuild guy, yet I can name our optimal hopefully WS lineup LF - Eloy. CF - Robert. RF - Rutherford. DH - Avi. C - Collins 3B - Burger/Davidson. SS - TA. 2B - Moncada. 1B - Abreu. Backup OF the sparkplug guy we got from the Yankees, Tito Polo. I believe there's the guy we got from the Red Sox as well, Basabe. P-Rodon, Fulmer, Cease, Kopech, the plethora of guys we got from Nats. I'm excited. What more do you want from me? I can't agree with every single point people make. I need some results, too. Just because I chose to answer this question the way I did makes me evil. I don't understand why praising the prospects yet needing to see the improvement makes me evil. Nobody seems to agree this losing bulls*** has to be considered as a bad part of the process. Will this current bad part of the process be forgotten at some point? Sure, if everything works out. Why do I have to do handstands right now? Why does questioning it a bit make me a bad fan or troll? There are some fans who can't take losing at all (me). But it's almost like my hatred of losing is not considered logical or at all acceptable. Why is that? Not all people are the same. Some people DESPISE losing. That's me. Losing to the Royals makes me explode. Will that angst be worth it if we rattle off three WS titles because of this? Of course. I wish you would try to consider my points rather than assume because they are polar opposite of yours I must be a troll. I'm trying to be a better poster but I despise the Royals so much. Please mods close this thread. It is the only one that reverts me back to insanity!

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 05:20 AM) I feel bad for our pitching staff. They can't get the job done and you can tell they want so badly to win I love you as a fan but don't understand this post. How can u tell they want to win badly? That lefty just got torched on the homers and Pelfrey threw a good game but didn't exactly find a rhythm late. Working so slow he let the storms roll in.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 07:21 PM) If "half" the prospects make it, the Sox are going to be the best team in the majors in 2020 and 2021. Good. Bring it on. I want wins.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) Moncada is pretty much must-see TV though right? Lopez coming up will be cool as s*** too. To me it's a different kind of fun with the Sox right now. Yeah I'll agree with that. I wouldn't call it 'fun' though to see those hacks serve up three gopher balls in a row to the Royals tonight after seeing Pelfrey slow the game down to a crawl seemingly afraid to deliver a pitch in his final inning of work. Albeit he did put up zeros so kudos for that, but ... QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 06:41 PM) Actually I agreed with Greg to an extent. Trading our guys for the best possible return is one thing ,like the first step in a rebuild. and for that first step,we all seem pretty pleased. But the coming steps are all just as important if not more so. The talent acquired has to pan out and to high degree for the plan to progress to the next stage which is supplementing it with any missing pieces. Then comes sustaining success for as long as you can. Yes sir. I can buy that post. QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 07:15 PM) All this really says is you don't understand the concept of a rebuild. The only way to completely judge this rebuild is after the majority of the 15+ guys acquired since the team picked + draft picks from a couple bad years a direction pan out, which won't be until at least 2019. All we're able to judge right now is the deals that were made, which look great on paper which is all you can really ask for at this stage. I do understand the concept of a rebuild The topic is: "How do you rate the rebuild so far?" I agree with what you said, everything you said. I'm just saying to rate the rebuild so far, you can't give it more than a 2 3 or 4. Why? It's a process and right now we are in the s*** part of the process. The only thing we have next to the prospects' names are expert rankings, which mean NOTHING. I told everybody to no avail that I applaud the prospects we got and the rankings next to their names. Fantastic. Probably couldn't do better in that regard. But to rate the rebuild so far??? Well, you have to take this as a process. At this stage of the process the rebuild is nothing but horses*** baseball at this time and prospects either doing their thing in the minors or getting ready to rake. Relax, folks. My grade of 2 is the CURRENT GRADE, how I rate the rebuild so far. I told everybody that as we start winning, if we start winning, the grade goes up and up. Could it someday be an 8 9 or 10, I said sure it could be. Am I 'happy' with the prospects we got? Sure, on paper of course. But again, all seasons matter. Why is that so hard to understand? And at this stage of the rebuild this season is horrific. Until the Sox start winning, my rebuild grade is very low. I DO understand the rebuild. QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 07:28 PM) Your point doesn't make any sense. The whole point of this is to be really bad at the major league level while accumulating a s***load of high upside prospects. There is zero reason to be winning games right now because it's counterproductive to what they are trying to do. If you're gonna win 75 games then you might as well win 65 games and pick really high in the draft to accumulate more high upside controllable talent. You're extremely ignorant about the draft though. Ignorant about the draft? Hmmm. Pedro Alvarez second; where was Trout drafted? Rodon? Fulmer? Look I have the right to not give a s*** if we pick third or 13th. I happen to think you get a good player at either slot. I understand why you guys think losses are part of the rebuild. I happen to think that is a horrific way of rebuilding. You are talking a few draft slots here or there in a draft where there are no guarantees. None. Why can't you humor me on this and say you understand my position. You DISAGREE with it, but my position is completely logical. And I will gladly increase my rating of the rebuild if and when we start winning. If we win a division and WS or two or three because of this rebuild, fantastic. I will be first to watch the parade on TV and buy the WS T-shirts and hats again. But as of now ... I want proof. My grade for the rebuild is tied to upcoming success and right now it's abysmal failure (in terms of this year's team). You guys can say getting the No. 1 or 2 draft pick means everything to a rebuild and that losing is the way to go. To me? No. 3 pick vs 10 MEANS NOTHING. That doesn't make me the dumbest fan alive. You all think I am a dunce.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 03:00 AM) you have to play for the big inning even if Moncada actually had a clue how to bunt. That bunt on the first pitch was hilarious. Looked like he never tried one for sure. QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 03:01 AM) I legit feel bad for fellow Sox fans that want them to win this year Thank u. That's me. I want wins badly and all I get are L's.

I'm leaving the game thread now to take cover. Kidding ... I just feel my "hate the White Sox" mode is surging through my body so I better calm down lest I explode on here and get banned.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 02:35 AM) I agree with you 100% and I think many here are too. Even DA who has a sarcasm with posters who want every manager/coach fired, hated the bunt call with Moncada. Thanks, Ace. The lightning and rain has hit Lawrence. Will this game be completed?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 02:32 AM) Holmberg.. can't even get lefties out. Feel bad for him. I feel badly for any one of our pitchers, who are putting their health on the line when they take the mound. Did you see how hard hit those homers were? A ball hit that hard can do some real damage. I'd recommend a majority of our pitchers wearing some sort of hockey helmet in the future.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 02:30 AM) Giants won today I don't want to argue with you, because you are a good person obviously, but your position saddens me. I thought you were a White Sox 'win at all costs' guy before. Sad. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 02:31 AM) Even one one the few joys, Moncada at the plate they have him try to bunt. Amen. I mean again, why bunt? This game means nothing. Now, he may be trying to lose, so that would be a different story obviously as 'wink wink' they want to win games. If Ricky is purposely trying to lose, fine. His bosses could forgive that.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 02:28 AM) Sweet good thing he played for one run. With Swarzak out tonight, you probably want more than a 3 run cushion He should flat out be fired. Unless he's doing it to purposely lose. Seriously, I know fans always called for managers to be fired, but this is insane. If u are trying to develop Moncada why would u ask him to bunt? I mean there is absolutely no reason for it. If one says, 'Well he wants them to do it now so they do it when it matters.' Well, then why doesn't our minor league system ever call for him to bunt? I know he wasn't down there that long, but still, long enough to learn how to bunt. p.s. Is this home run derby? LOL. Your Chicago White Sox.

LOL. Lotta rain in Lawrence. Usually the front hits KC about 40 minutes later, but the wind not blowing real hard, either.

Perez got all of that one. Sox are baseball's version of the Washington Generals.

That catch temporarily saved the W for the Sox. That woulda been a double probably, definitely woulda scored one run. Interesting.

The Royals announcers said Moncada has never executed a sac bunt in his pro baseball career, minors and majors. Is there any doubt Rick R should be fired today? Now if he's not asked to ever do it in the minors to uh, learn how to do it, why bunt here? The team is pathetic. The game means nothing. Why ask Moncada to fricking bunt? Fire Rick tonight. Oh wait, don't. Buddy Bell still has a chance to be our skipper the more we replace skippers.

He seemed like a bad guy. Good riddance. He can get a job in some other field.

Nine years in prison wasn't half bad. Amazing how cocky he still is. I think they could have kept him in the slammer another year on a technicality. The parole board member asked him if he took the class he promised to take a year ago when he was denied parole. He said he actually didn't take the class. Boom. Coulda called him a liar. Also he was so flippant still. Had to flirt and cut jokes like "I could stay in Nevada (instead of moving to Florida) but I don't think u want me in Nevada." The parole board member said "no comment." He also kept saying how non violent he is. Hmmm. I dunno about that.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 06:20 AM) I'm with you. I don't think I've watched an inning this season. It's the mental midget pitching that ruins it. I'm tempted to get the Milb subscription. I get so mad watching the games. I can't remember a Sox team that has ever trotted out such horrendous starting pitching. It's really an insult to Chicago sports fans everywhere. I just don't like it. As a proud Sox fan I have the right to feel embarrassed and saddened by this horses*** team.