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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 02:18 PM) Yes exactly. There are many people who would vote yes. Most of them can't turn a computer on though. Dammit. There I go offending people again. That is offensive if you meant it. So you and those who don't believe are so smart and we are the hick buffoons who believe in the all knowing man in the sky God. A lot of intelligent people believe ... Jimmy Carter who is the definition of true faith.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 02:46 AM) I know this has probably been addressed over the 109 pages, but why do we even have a Cubs catch-all thread on SoxTalk? Why not? Cubs are a team in Chicago. Can't ignore them.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 09:58 PM) You can't refuse the search if they have probable cause (i.e., smell drugs / booze on you or see something in the car seat), right? Or am I incorrect? Also, I thought you will lose your license for a year if u get stopped at a DUI checkpoint and refuse to cooperate. The cop can always have an out and say he smelled alcohol in your car and that was probable cause to give you a DUI test. You refuse it and you lose your license. Attorneys? Is this right? So if you are stopped for a DUI checkpoint you pretty much have to answer the cops' questions. It appears to be different regarding a citizen checkpoint. You can stifle there and not say anything.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 04:05 PM) A real simple question with Joe Biden is "what role would he actually fill in this campaign?" Is he going to ideologically tap into a group that isn't well served by the current major candidates? No. We've actually got a good spectrum from "Confederate Flags aren't that bad" to "guy who calls himself a socialist" and a good set in-between already represented. Is he a better campaigner than any of the major candidates? No. Extremely gaffe prone, without the backing of outright racists like Trump has who overlook that stuff. Could he come out with a policy proposal set that is significantly better than the current candidates? Maybe, but he's several years behind the curve in developing such policy proposals. Is he going to outdo Hillary in fundraising or something else like that? Maybe could suck up some money, but certainly not going to outdo her when again she's got a 12 month+ head start. What's the point of a Biden run? It's basically to pacify people who for some reason can't personally stand Hillary Clinton, like you. I'm ok with him meeting with some people about things, it's always nice to have a "backup plan" in case the "here's the floor plan to the structure in Benghazi and the key is under a fake rock to the left" email Republicans have been dreaming existed for 4 years actually did exist, but other than that, he'd hurt himself by getting in unnecessarily and there's no reason to think he'd be an improvement except for people like you who are actively considering voting for Donald Trump. Not exactly a strong endorsement. Excellent post IMO. The one thing though you are missing IMO is the fact Joe is getting old, he doesn't have THAT many years left to live (once you hit 70 or so it's a crapshoot) and he personally MIGHT want to be president. I mean he's so close right now, why wouldn't you go for it?? No. 1, all these people have big egos and he can run for president and get in on the debates (if there ever are any Democratic debates) and he can be important one final time. He can be relevant and in the news all the way through the primaries. Maybe even longer than that if he's lucky or Hilly is unlucky. So my point is to your "what role would he actually fill in this campaign?" Well, he'd fill the role of trying to PERSONALLY be president. If Hilly screws up ... if Hillary is indicted later down the line ... if the press catches her up on something, he'd be there ready to mop up and win. But as far as technicalities as they stand now ... you are right. He brings nothing to the table. He can't touch Hillary. But if she's indicted .... meet your next president, Joe Biden.

Is it safe to say Joey Belle was the meanest person in Sox history? Or is there anybody else rivaling him? Seems like he was a pretty big prick especially judging the one story about him calling one of the Soxtalk members a xxxxxx for taking his pic in spring training. That's pretty bad. I can see why some dont wanna sign autographs, but a picture? Cmon Joey.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:59 AM) I'm shocked people still think these games matter for the playoff hunt and that the Sox are going to win like 20 of 25 or some s*** and finish with 87 wins. Uh, that ship has sailed. This is a mediocre team at best. Seriously, nobody on this board thinks they are in contention for a WC. Grobstein laughs off any caller that suggests such an absurdity. I think it's worse than mediocre. I think it's a sub-par team. I would agree with anybody who calls it a "lousy team." I did see you said mediocre "at best" which is probably fair. AT BEST.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:20 AM) Man this team is DOA. The nights they are DOA offensively coupled with the nights they play like clowns (defense, baserunning) is what has made them a bad bad baseball team.

Serious question: If Hahn acquires Kendrys Morales instead of LaRoche would the Sox have been a contender this season?

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:04 AM) You can't have Flowers Saladino Avi and LaRoche in the lineup and expect to win. Avi has talent. He may need the Viciedo treatment (year in the minors to reinvent himself).

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:15 AM) Yep, the exact location the great Tyler Flowers called for that pitch No offense to Fathom, who has had a great season posting IMO, but are Sox fans the only fans in baseball that always blame the catcher for pitcher f***ups? Nate is not great (I'll give him a break like I do Danks, though, in guttily coming back from injury). I ALWAYS blame the Pitcher.

Nate tattooed on that one. Prolly doesn't matter anyway. Sox bats are broken tonight (again).

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 12:59 AM) Yeah, Walsh is really the only guy that comes close. Maybe Pierce. Most of our pitchers have been so overrated by us Sox fans... LaMarr Hoyt, Jack McDowell, Mark Buehrle, etc. are so much worse than SoxTalk posters seem to think. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but their stats really aren't great. Hoyt would have been an icon in Chicago history if not for Dybber. Hoyt was 24-10 that 1983 year with a 3.66 ERA. If Dybber doesn't mess up the series is 2-2 and Sox EASILY win the Sunday game to take that series behind Hoyt. Then they continue steaming to a WS title. They won 99 games that year. I'm surprised that what ultimately happened that season is not discussed as one of the biggest chokes ever by a team. Sale is amazing, though. If he stays healthy he'll be best Sox starter ever. He really ought to ask experts about his delivery. Longevity is all that may escape Mr. Sale. he is superb.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 02:59 AM) The Sox have had their chances against this bum. But when you have s***ty players in the line up you expect s***ty results. This game is a good lesson for our front office if they think they can avoid an overhaul of the lineup. They cannot. Guys whose production must be upgraded or they must be replaced: Melky, Flowers, Avi, Eaton, Saladino, Sanchez, LaRoche. Only acceptable at bats might be Thompson, Lexi (counting on bounceback year), maybe Avi, maybe Soto as backup. QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:00 AM) 119 pitches thru 6. Robin, if you put him back out for the 7th, you are an idiot. It's not up to Robin; it's up to Sale. He gets mad when they yank him. ... Wow Robin had the stones to yank him (updated).

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 09:05 PM) I'm not really sure why. We've become less and less religious over time. Church scandals and extremists haven't really given religion a good name the last few decades. Communities used to be based around their local church, but that's not the case anymore. Churches and congregations are dying. Literally, the audiences are just old people in a lot of places. Once they go, the Church will too. edit: and others have said, you're on a message board on the internet. Members here are mostly "young," mostly affluent liberal people, i.e., the ones most likely to not be religious. It's interesting to me. I hope everybody votes so we see if it's mostly those who do not believe.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 09:44 PM) Unbelievable when he had the gun out pointing it at her as they talked and he stepped back for a moment like he was positioning better or having second thoughts. Its crazy how none of them noticed him pointing the gun only feet away. Horrifying. Think of all the wacked out assholes who will use this as a copycat. Always be aware of your surroundings, people and prepare yourself mentally to act fast and get involved if you are in a public place and somebody goes for a gun. Be ready to act like those guys on the train did.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 09:36 PM) Yeah that video gave me chills down my spine. It's crazy how we all probably watch violence of TV and don't even bat an eyelash. This is scary because this is apart of life in this country. Very true. I just watched the gunman's own video. He had to be holding his phone at the same time as he held the weapon. Our world is in deep trouble. We are a killing society and every minute you leave your house you are in some kind of danger. It's only going to get worse. If the gunman really wanted to make a point he could have jumped out with the gun to these people who he perceived as his work enemies and said "Right now I could kill you if I wanted to. This gun is loaded." And then shoot it into the ground, leave and let his enemies live their lives in peace! He could post that on social media and be a hero in his own mind. Instead he is so f***ed up he has to actually kill them then end his own life. Scum of the earth.

QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) I've accidently came upon screenshots of his POV video and it is enough to give me nightmares. Don't let that piece of scum give you nightmares. It would be his triumph. I just heard the piece of s*** killed himself. Bastard coward to go to a shoot with a gun and kill people at 6:45 a.m. then kill himself. Asshole.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 08:59 PM) If there was no video of this event, is this even a story outside of the local broadcast area, or maybe Virginia? I mean, as someone else pointed out, 3 people were shot in Chicago just today. More will be shot tomorrow. We have no video, we just read about it, and no one really thinks twice about it. Video is becoming more and more influential in how we take in these events. From Ray Rice to Steve Sarkisian (5 years ago that's not even a news story) and now this. Well, when a guy uses "social media" to basically publicize his murder of two people and he shoots and kills two TV people while they are on live TV and it's broadcast live, that is horrifying news that will be shown nationwide. Unfortunately these social media platforms will lead to more of this. It's just very sad. But of course you are right about video being more and more influential. People can tape their own vile unlawful disgusting actions such as today's. Can you imagine today's horror? Two people working at a TV station who both are dating/in love with two other people at the station are murdered while at work today. Sad and awful.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 09:00 PM) Greg's comments in here read like a 14-year old who has just become aware that not everyone believes in God. When it's 16 of 18 people not believing, that does astound me a bit.

It's all over, folks. We HAVE to get guns off the streets, out of the hands of morons. Can you imagine, these two reporters had to hate getting up to go to work at 6:45 am. Next thing you know they are removed from the planet by some idiot. GUN CONTROL. It must take place in a more aggressive fashion. Our country is not safe with all the mental illnesses out there and medicated people!! I wrote that in anger. Now I want to say I'm so f***ing sad for everybody involved! This shooter kills the two media members?? Awful. And he doesn't shoot the person being interviewed? How awful. Prayers for everybody. I just found out about this and am sad and outraged! Damn. Horrifying. Senseless. The two reporters were going to fricking get married. The cameraman was getting out of the news business.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:39 PM) With this season seemingly over, I've been mostly interested in trying to figure out how the Sox will be moving forward as an organization. While this season has been largely a disappointment to myself and other Sox fans, I can't help but think a few tweaks this offseason can have the White Sox seriously contending for the playoffs next season. In order to support that argument, I decided to take a look at our second half numbers: Adam Eaton .308/.408/.462/.870 in 169 AB Jose Abreu .293/.373/.571/.944 in 166 AB Carlos Sanchez .304/.340/.463/.803 in 144 AB Geovany Soto .325/.438/.700/1.138 in 48 AB Trayce Thompson .522/.560/.957/1.517 in 25 AB Alexei Ramirez .275/.311/.472/.783 in 151 AB Melky Cabrera .291/.331/.483/.814 in 164 AB Tyler Saladino .247/.283/.340/.623 in 162 AB JB Shuck .281/.361/.438/.799 in 37 AB Avisail Garcia .261/.323/.394/.717 in 155 AB Tyler Flowers .205/.263/.273/.536 in 97 AB Adam LaRoche .191/.218/.313/.531 in 119 AB Some observations from the numbers: -Some players (Eaton, Soto, Sanchez, Thompson) currently have unsustainable BABIPs, so those numbers should go down some, but it's interesting to note the surge in offense from both Eaton and Sanchez in the 2nd half. Eaton is drawing twice as many walks as he did in the first half of the season. -Eaton's defensive score has gotten significantly better in the second half (he went from a -6.1 to a -2.9). Still not great for a premium defensive position, but it's good to see the improvement. -Tyler Flowers offensive numbers are down across the board in the 2nd half, most noticeably his SLG% is below .300. To compare, Geo Soto has been worth 1.2 wins more than Flowers over the second half alone. While the sample size may still be small, you can start to gather that we may be seeing some players solidify their positions for next year. I think Sanchez's second half has really cemented his likelihood of being the opening day starter at second next year while Flowers abysmal second half has shown that he is nothing more than a back up at this point. I am fine keeping him as a back up and personal catcher for Sale, but his defense and framing just doesnt make up for the negative value of his bat. Will they choose to put the position off another year and have Geo come back? Wouldn't be the worst idea, but I dont see Geo taking anything other than a starter role next season. Another big question is what the Sox will be doing with Alexei. While his second half numbers are much more in line with his usual type of production, Alexei has made far too many mental mistakes this season and just doesnt seem as engaged as he previously has. With that said, I think moving Saladino over to SS as place holder for Anderson seems to make the most sense for next season. That leaves the Sox with a gaping hole at third and while Saladino has played elite defense over there so far, his bat really doesnt justify keeping him there. As someone on the page has already pointed out, his numbers dont look nearly as bad when compared to the mlb avg of SS in comparison to the mlb avg 3B. Last but not least, I really think Avi needs to go. Trayce may not be the answer, but the White Sox really need to find that out over the next month. Avi still has not proven to be anything other than a below replacement level player since he came into the league. The "potential" may still be there for some folks, but it's really hard to justify keeping him out there when he is so obviously a weak link on this team. His defense and base running are absolutely awful in conjunction with his hitting. We are stuck with LaRoche, so hopefully Hahn is smart enough to find a cheapish bat to platoon with him next season in the DH role. Great thread, but it all boils down to wins vs. losses and this team still isn't winning worth a damn. It's not going to win next season with the current manager and staff in place UNLESS it fills several holes while keeping the pitching intact for the most part. Good luck with that.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 04:16 PM) 1 question, does any think that Dayan Viciedo can rebuild his value. ???? No. But it is nice he is back in the minors trying to start over. Only hope for him is if he rebuilt his style of hitting. He can't make it by never drawing a walk and swinging at every pitch thrown his way. It's a recipe for .195, 20-24 homers, 50-77 RBIs. QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 04:46 PM) davidson .... avg 200 .... i am wondering if he sox would still give him a shot during spring training. Give Davidson a break and release him for gosh sakes and let another organization try to develop him.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:24 AM) I've seen this argument before, and it is complete crap. If god is the only thing stopping you from becoming a completely selfish being, you need help Greg. Did religion stop numerous civilizations from conquering and enslaving other cultures? Did it stop our forefathers from whiping out the natives? Can you honestly say that to somebody who has been tortured, enslaved, or raped their whole life? Sounds pretty selfish to me tbh Is that why you don't believe? Because of the horrors of life?

I enjoy watching those videos on youtube where people make cops mad at DUI stops and border stops. They won't answer any of the cops questions and sometimes the cops get pretty mad. My question to attorneys ... At a DUI stop, some of these youtubers act like they don't have to show their drivers license or registration. Isn't it a LAW that when stopped at a checkpoint we HAVE to cooperate with the law or we automatically lose driving "privileges?" Can we do what these people are doing when stopped? Basically say "I don't answer questions" and "what cause do you have to stop me?" One guy got arrested and there was no youtube followup. Normally on these videos the cops tire of the person reciting "I don't answer questions" and the cops finally wave them through and say, "OK have a nice day."

I keep reading that Biden running is a real possibility. He probably won't hurt Hillary's momentum enough to make it matter. But what do those of you who support Hilly unconditionally think of this development? My guess is you don't like it because the Hilly supporters I've met in Kansas don't want her "challenged" in any way. They love Bill. They love Hillary. Hell, they'd seriously support Chelsea after Hillary's eight years. They want Hillary in and that's that. Please run, Mr. Biden! Don't let Hillary just walk into this without perverbial sweat.