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QUOTE (fathom @ May 27, 2015 -> 03:22 AM) That's why you see if anyone wants Samardzija, assuming you know how much he wants in free agency. Alexei is another person that could be moved. I wish they'd leak the info to national baseball writers which guys are available and start the ball rolling. A team is going to want to get as much as it can out of Shark cause he will not be worth the kind of cash he's going to ask for as a free agent. He's a rental for whomever gets him, so if we want to get a haul for him the trade must be soon. Nobody's gonna give us 3 great prospects for Shark in August. In May? Maybe.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 27, 2015 -> 03:19 AM) the worse thing we can do is panic and start selling off the team. The season is still young and even if we don't get into the playoffs this season we have a good solid group of talented players for the future Disagree on all counts. The only way I would give this unit a chance and not trade everybody but Sale/Abreu is if the Sox fire Ventura and we see if this crew actually can play ball better under a new manager. If the interim is somebody like Buddy Bell or Cooper, however, scratch that. Those guys would be just as ineffective as Robin IMO. I'm a little surprised you think this crew can get the job done, el rockin.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 26, 2015 -> 10:06 PM) I think a big part of being a Sox fan is we are notably the most pessimistic fans in the country. We will watch the team from a far when they are bad and every loss is the end of the season. Optimism my friend, only comes when they win it all. I disagree. We're actually knowledgable. How can you be that fired up when the defense is this bad? When the baserunning (and base stealing, lol) is so bad? When the pitching has been blah for the most part and the hitting has been rotten? At least tonight's game had highlights. A lot of games have no highlights. Didn't somebody post that the Sox have scored one run seven times and been shutout twice already? Yikes. We're not that pessimistic; we've just been given very weird baseball to watch the past few seasons. What are we supposed to do? Actually believe the Sox can beat Central Division teams, catch the damn ball and play smart baseball before the team does it for a month at least? And not fall 8 games back in May?

QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 27, 2015 -> 03:28 AM) This will be a 1-9 trip. I can just see it now. The 1-9, 0-10 disastrous stinker of a trip usually is that one out East in September or late August, right? I tell you, it's not easy being closer. I can think of two games Robertson has blown. He's been unhittable in so many others. But he blows a couple more and he'll be considered average at best in some circles. Remember when Reed blew an occasional save and people wanted his head on a platter? I won't rip Robertson as he's been great, but my point is a closer can turn into a mediocre closer after 4-5 blown saves. Horrible loss, BTW. I didn't watch the game. Hopefully the hitters took some pitches and hit to the opposite field and are starting to get it rather than pulling everything and getting lucky when the other team isn't in a shift. Did the hitters have a clue tonight? Opp field liners?

QUOTE (spiderman @ May 26, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) 4-7 or 3-8 is probably the two most likely outcomes of this road trip. 5-6 or 2-9 being the next candidates. If this road trip goes the way I think it will, they are likely 10 games out of 1st place by early June. Everyday that goes by means Samardzia has less value with his contract status so Hahn will need to be in a spot where a major decision will need to be made early. It's hard to see the White Sox getting major value for him if they wait until end of July. It's easier to see the team getting good value with a move in early June should the wheels fall off. If the White Sox just tread water, say 5-6 on this road trip, and are 8 games back, what then? The same questions still apply. If Hahn wants to resign a guy who won't talk until free agency hits, do they take that risk? They would get a draft pick back in that scenario (to my understanding). So, a major decision looms Good post. Trade Shark and Robertson NOW and get a huge ass haul in return.

I guess that was a joke about the game being fast. Everything the guys say and do this season is that of a team that knows it is horses***. I'm surprised Robin didn't add another good thing was the team was able to go watch the Blackhawks game since the shutout was so fast.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 26, 2015 -> 03:51 AM) And literally no one will ever sign with the Sox again. How do we know these players aren't anxious to get the hell out of Chicago, or at least get off this lousy team? Maybe they'd welcome contending. I'm thinking about sending guys to the Giants, Dodgers, Yankees, Cardinals, Royals, teams like that.

Exciting finish. Sad ending. It's tough to come back all the way from 3 goals down. I don't know what to think about this one. Definitely a disappointing ending. Hawks got caught with their pants down on that last goal. Crawford made the initial save, nobody to clean up and get the puck the f*** outta there. Easy carom for the goal. Good comeback or bad loss? I can't decide yet. Stunned.

I'm kind of excited about prospects of a midseason "do-over." I remember one year the Sox acquired Bobby Bonds, not Barry but Bobby. He was so bad they recognized the problem and dumped him. I believe they did the same with Dan Pasqua. They also knew they erred in acquiring Swisher and also that lousy leadoff hitter Erstad. Dumped all of 'em before the fans picketed. If Hahn does this right, he can get so many good prospects for Shark, Lexi, LaRoche, Melky, Robertson, Duke it'll make our heads spin. Please Mr. Hahn, start planning some amazing trades. I still say we might be able to steal a few KC prospects for Shark. They are talking daily here about Cueto. Why not Shark? Robertson will be a huge chip for a contender! Don't mistakenly keep these guys we acquired last offseason in hopes they turn it around next year. When a guy is a bust, he's a bust (can u say Adam Dunn?) Surely some of you agree with me?!

If he needs a scope or procedure, then by gosh, put him on the shelf for a while. As much as it sucks that he gets hurt a lot, you have to medically take care of problems when they occur. Fix him even if it means a scope.

QUOTE (harkness @ May 26, 2015 -> 03:41 AM) It's ventura. You could bring in Mike Trout and he would start sucking under this group of incompetent zombies. How come White Sox players rarely earn their paychecks? Very few guys are worthy of the cash they are receiving every paycheck.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 26, 2015 -> 01:41 AM) Been doing that all season. Has the look of someone who lost their bat speed. Same goes for Alexei Is LaRoche a clone of the 'old' Paulie? I'd rather Paulie not retired. Couldn't he do what LaRoche is doing at the bare minimum? Paulie forever! QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ May 26, 2015 -> 01:43 AM) George Kottaras is hitting .310/.512/.517 in 43 PA at AAA Nice post. I'd bring him up now, release Flowers, let Soto stay til we decide which minor league guy is backup. Flowers and Soto are not big league caliber sorry to say. QUOTE (fathom @ May 26, 2015 -> 01:53 AM) This team's plate discipline and pitch recognition is embarrassing. I read the whole thread. Fathom had some nice posts, this included. QUOTE (harkness @ May 26, 2015 -> 01:55 AM) Shut out by a guy with a 6.91 era. Unbelievable. Our hitters are just plain abysmal. QUOTE (fathom @ May 26, 2015 -> 02:12 AM) Stone going off on the defense Yay! Love when Stoney and Hawk tell it like it is. QUOTE (fathom @ May 26, 2015 -> 02:20 AM) 2 non-infield hits tonight. Worst offensive effort of the season by far. Season is in critical status right now. Season has long been over. Hate to be a reactionary, but cmon. No defense, no team speed when competing against the likes of KC and Minnie and Detroit means fourth or fifth in Central. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 26, 2015 -> 02:22 AM) Time for Steverson and Robin to go. Yeppers. QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 26, 2015 -> 02:23 AM) If anyone will be let go of, it will be Todd Steverson. Hopefully they can his ass now. Ah, let the cliche begin. This is the first thread all year that Steverson is getting singled out a lot. Not ripping you. I do agree. I would prefer Seitzer, a Seitzer clone or BIG HURT TO THE RESCUE NOW!!! 2 month conract to fix these guys. Or Paulie. After hearing his philosophy on hitting during the game broadcast Sunday I want Paulie!! QUOTE (flavum @ May 26, 2015 -> 02:37 AM) This road trip will go down in the annals of Sox history as "The Swirsky Trip". LOL. Great line. QUOTE (flavum @ May 26, 2015 -> 02:40 AM) Alexei wouldn't talk to reporters after the game. Do we even know what his voice sounds like? Ugh. Now our guys are not talking to media? Another sign of a bad, bad, baseball team.

Did you guys see Marcum got lit up today? As expected. Sox need a new offensive philosophy obviously, as well as better players.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 25, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) @CST_soxvan White Sox at Jays, 6:07, CSN: Eaton cf, Beckham 3b, Cabrera lf, Abreu 1b, LaRoche dh, Garcia rf, Ramirez ss, Soto c, Bonifacio 2b. Noesi P By big league standards that is a pathetic lineup. It's probably a miracle Sox are just three under. On paper, Cabrera, Abreu, LaRoch, Garcia, Ramirez is a decent fivesome though albeit with little power and speed.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 25, 2015 -> 04:13 PM) I think the bigger problem is that some people think a baseball ticket entitles them to way more then it actually does. Baseball is a sport. It is entertainment. It is a game. It isn't some sort of place for people to get an ego fulfillment because their team owes it to them, or some weird 21st century entitlement idea. The ideas about stomping and pouting and demanding the team do this and that because they owe it to you, the fans, is just silly. I don't know when that idea came into sports, but people need to get over it. These aren't gladiators. This isn't life and death on the line. The whole idea that staying away and quitting somehow makes you better than people who don't, because the team isn't delivering something it apparently owes to you to get you to show up is just mindblowing to me. Even worse is taking to the internet in an effort to get some sort of cyber pat on the back because you are all sad because the team hasn't won enough for you. Baseball is not an entitlement program. It doesn't owe you a regular championship as if you get a trophy just for signing up as a fan. If you need that to feel good about yourself, sign up for another team. I don't get your point. We should love baseball because it's baseball? The greatest sport on earth? Well I'd argue that the umpires and players have tried to ruin that (pace of play is appalling and strike zone squeezing abominable). However back to my point. Baseball is big business and fans deserve a good product. The product the White Sox have been throwing out there for some time now is not the worst in the industry but very bad.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ May 25, 2015 -> 07:13 PM) Buehrle and AJ interest me, as does Plawecki Buehrle would be great but he should never have been allowed to leave in the first place.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 25, 2015 -> 02:27 PM) At least no Hawk bulls*** about how this guy has never looked this good. Pitchers know they need not have good stuff they just need to throw close to the zone and sox will get themselves out. So true. Do the Sox hitters realize how pitchers approach their at bats? Easiest outs in baseball I'd imagine.

That would be neat if you are right. Generally, however, a team doesn't suck radically at home on a homestand and go do something that you suggest is possible. Rather I think a 3-7 road trip is more likely. Or 2-8.

QUOTE (spiderman @ May 25, 2015 -> 05:47 AM) Too many easy outs in this lineup. Not enough impact hitters. I was just thinking it's really hard to like this team. It generally falls behind early, the hitters won't take walks and their approach at the plate is very annoying. Do you guys agree with me or is it just me? This team is hard to love, at least for me. The only time I love this team is when Robertson is pitching for some reason. Agree or disagree on the likeability of this club?

QUOTE (Vance Law @ May 25, 2015 -> 04:11 AM) **refuses to engage with greg** I wasn't trying to argue. I was wondering if soxtalk was happy with LaRoche's bat or not. Legit question not trying to be a dick at this time.

QUOTE (spiderman @ May 25, 2015 -> 04:46 AM) This year looks to be no different. 8 games behind two very good teams and another surprise team in the Twins. Another depressing year to be a White Sox fan. After an off-season in which the team appeared to address many holes, they still have an offense that lacks impact. I can't believe how early the Sox are out of it again. School lets out and team is buried already.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 25, 2015 -> 01:34 AM) Currently he's a disaster out there. Damn, u just can't win baseball games with bad leftfielder, bad rightfielder, lousy armed centerfielder, lousy armed catcher, horrific defender at third and first. Just can't do it. I'd say two games over .500 is this team's high water mark, 25 below .500 is the low water mark. Will prolly finish about 12 below .500.

Garcia is a good player. He needs to learn to settle down just a bit IMO. Can you imagine if he was a bit more selective at the plate? His defense? I haven't watched enough games to say he's a disaster out there. To the experts ... is he adequate in rf or is he a disaster defensively?

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 25, 2015 -> 12:55 AM) Some people have this fantasy that there are trophies for certain types of fans. When you go buy a ticket they don't care what type of fan you are. I have changed. The Sox won it in 05 and I stayed loyal to those players through thick and thin. I was suspended twice for arguments in which I backed guys like Bobby Jenks, Ozzie, Jermaine Dye, etc. Now none of those players remain so I am a bitter mean "show me the product" fan now. There are no current players I feel the need to defend cause they haven't done squat yet. Just win baby and shut fans like Greg up.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 24, 2015 -> 04:38 PM) Laroche just seems now to be the 'flavor of the day.' Some need someone to hate on. The entire offense is bad and our super stud starters have not been as sharp as we would have hoped. Lots of issues right now, but whether we win this year or not I think we have talent and they just need to gel as a team. I think things will get better So are we saying LaRoche is a good hitter? Are we happy with what he's put up? Just wondering.